I'm sorry to say I haven't read very much of this material at September Clues, and I should have posted it before instead of winging similar information of my own. I honestly don't know why it has taken me so long. Time to get down to business, forget egos, and examine the television archived evidence which has been done right here for all. There are also great photos and videos at this site. Dennis Cimino is an aeronautical and electronics engineer. Isn't it about time you, Dr. Fetzer, had on your show a guest who is a DEMOLITION engineer? Perhaps more than one? I am not buying Dennis's version of how the WTC was demolished. He sounds like a very nice, sincere person, but he needs to check the photographic evidence which is so inconsistent.THE 9/!! TV ARCHIVES "Over almost half a decade (September Clues 1.0 was released on June 5, 2007) of methodical analyses/dissections of the 9/11 TV ARCHIVE material (and the purported 9/11 "amateur footage"), our research has determined beyond reasonable doubt that the entire pool of available 9/11 imagery was manufactured by a single, central entity ( henceforth, "THE 9/11 FAKERY FACTORY" )."The "9/11 FAKERY FACTORY" was entrusted with the creation of a database of CGI (Computer-Generated Imagery) designed to convey to the world's TV viewers the outlandish "Binladen terror-attack" narrative we are all familiar with. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FAKING THE RUBBLE http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=489"As we all have seen and discussed many times, a big part of the perpetrators' plan was to include elements to divert attention towards pre-cooked "conspiracy" interpretations, including some unspecified and unprovable form of controlled demolition as evidence for the "inside job". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~CGI collapse footageThe top crush-down global structural collapses of WTC1/2 shown 'live on TV' with smoke ejected sideways and upwards, wall steel column panels 6 floors tall, 20 meters wide ripped off and thrown out and dropping down followed by dust clouds, corner structures breaking up floor by floor, etc, etc, is not possible physically (energy and force not available) or practically ... so what you see of global collapses is 100% animation Hollywood style. You can thus be sure that what you see on TV/videos/photos before is also animations, e.g. falling people from floors above hole in wall. Actually the floors above are completely undamaged and there should not be any smoke or fire there, ... so why jump? \It is amazing that, e.g. the American Society of Civil Engineers, ASCE, believes that any steel structure can destroy itself from above by gravity, i.e. a small loose weak top part C can crush a taller, bigger and stronger bottom part A, where A carries C before. http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=802
JOannie the Jew: u Jews and satanists really don't ever stop for ur trying sooooooooooooo hard to confuse things, eh?FIrst, note there had to be THOUSANDS of people who vid-taped the scene after the first explosion at the N. tower, and there's got to be testimony to go along, I'm sure.Second, it goes to show just how clueless and out-to-lunch u are for the jumpers--which was well-explained by Jewdy Wood, among others, who noted micro-wave tech which is actually designed to make people suffer, this actually now part of police agencies as tool for making crowds disperse by aiming these weapons at them.
Joan, Can you be this incredibly ignorant? I have published a dozen article about the destruction of the Twin Towers on Veterans Today and Gordon Duff and Ian have at least another half dozen. How many of them have your read:“9/11: Seismic Proof + Video Fakery = Inside Job”http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/06/911-seismic-proof-video-fakery-inside.html“Has nanothermite been oversold to the 9/11 Truth community?”http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/05/has-nanothermite-been-oversold-to-911.html"Is '9/11 Truth' based upon a false theory?"http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/17/is-911-truth-based-upon-a-false-theory/“Nanothermite: If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit!”http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/27/nanothermite-if-it-doesnt-fit-you-must-acquit/“Judy Wood and DEWs: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly”http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/08/20/judy-wood-and-dews-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/“9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings II”http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/12/911-truth-will-out-the-vancouver-hearings-ii/“Mini Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle” with Don Fox, Clare Kuehn, Jeff Prager, Jim Viken, Dr. Ed Ward and Dennis Ciminohttp://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/29/mini-neutron-bombs-a-major-piece-of-the-911-puzzle/“Mystery Solved: The WTC was Nuked on 9/11”http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/01/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked-on-911/“2 + 2 = Israel Nuked the WTC on 9/11”http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/28/2-2-israel-nuked-the-wtc-on-911/"Busting 9/11 Myths: Nanothermite, Big Nukes and DEWs” with Don Fox http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/19/busting-911-myths-nanothermite-big-nukes-and-dews/“The Complete Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference”http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/10/03/the-complete-midwest-911-truth-conference-parts-1-2-and-3/“9/11: A World Swirling in Volcano of Lies”http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/02/14/911-a-world-swirling-in-a-volcano-of-lies/
Money Issue Is MOST Important For Practical Jew/Satanist Power Over Present CultureWell comrades: this show w. J.B. Wells was a brilliant recitation and performance--another one--by our excellent analysts, commentators, and observers, Prof. Fetzer and Dennis Cimino.But Prof., and once again, I'm a little puzzled for ur failing here--u missed an opportunity, near the beginning when Wells asked u about Israel, as u went over ur "problems" w. such entity which so easily and routinely "wags the dog."And that missing item, once again, is of course, "central banking" which literally (legalistically) COUNTERFEITS the money supply/currency, which then allows Jew satanists to own and control EVERYTHING--which Dennis Cimino much later in the show referred to--and NEARLY everyone.For if one doesn't submit and buckle-under to bribes and extortion enabled by this nearly infinite ability to fund and finance things, they can, in the end, simply assassinate u by paying-out couple hundred bucks to a coke-addict and then using their already-bought-and-paid-for cops, lawyers, judges and Jews-media to cover it all up.U CONSISTENTLY miss this item regarding US Federal Reserve Bank (legalized) COUNTERFEITING, Professor, and I seriously begin to wondering why/how.Dennis Cimino later began to cover the issue, but even he grossly mis-under-estimated (ho ho hoo) the problem when he said these Jews owned half the world's assets--this is inaccurate--for as they own & control the gov.s, judges, police, etc., they effectively own it all, able to instigate police civil forfeitures, confiscations, etc.--and they certainly CONTROL everything too, whether they "own" it or not.This Fed COUNTERFEITING, then, is literal KEYSTONE to ALL OTHER ORGANIZED CRIME--and even much of the un-organized crime--which criminality and satanism has such strangle-hold over our culture. For the financing/funding is what then enables everything/anything else whatever.Perhaps u have difficulty w. what constitutes REAL "money"?--well, observe it MUST be a commodity, best being gold/silver. For if it's just paper, then it can be replicated and proliferated endlessly just by adding more zeroes behind the number showing on the bill. Only a commodity standard prevents such "inflation" (COUNTERFEITING) problem, u see.The Austrians, as at Mises.org, have the best, most coherent grasp of the money issue, esp. their great theorist, Murray Rothbard, who's written several works on the subject. Another great, tremendous exposition on money subject is G.Edward Griffin's "The Creature From Jekyll Island." Griffin has lots of neat vids, too, on YouTube.Another problem, not insignificant, was when u otherwise so virtuously cited the "religion" and religious conflict btwn murderous, psychopathic Talmudism and our dear, traditional Christianity, u UTTERLY FAILING to note TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH as foremost value and virture, Christ = TRUTH, as at Gosp. JOHN 14:6--it isn't "love," or "faith," or "peace," or "good" or "compassion" as u mentioned, but ONLY TRUTH which then enables best all/any of the others.But God will surely forgive all ur minor mistakes, and u'll un-questionably make it at least into purgatory, no doubt, ho ho ho ho. Keep up ur good work, comrades. A.
Perhaps I should have added the significance of Christian TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH as foremost ideal/precept.For note: the existence of TRUTH is necessarily and logically dependent upon the Aristotelian, OBJECTIVE reality which gives such TRUTH its basis/foundation/referent.Such truth and objectivity then opposes the Judaic/Talmudic subjectivism fronted by satanic Pharisaism/"good"--always designed and manipulated then to favoring what's "good for Jews."For what are lies and lying but subjectivist propositions asserted to being real or objective--which lie the Jew/satanist justifies by insisting there is no objective reality, hence plausibility for his deception founded in subjectivism.
Don't Forget How/Why Kikes Hate Christ/ChristianityFor note and never doubt THERE IS GOOD REASON kikes soooooooooooo HATE our dear Christianity--and it's why their clients, the ISIL/ISIS terrorists mass-murder Christians much as it's possible.They murdered Christ (TRUTH) because they're truly the "sons of satan," supreme liar, "father of lies," as Christ noted at Gosp. JOHN 8:44--this is real significance of dear Christianity, so disgustingly forgotten and covered-up by present-day scum and charlatans pretending to be "Christian," like traitors Charles Hagee and Pat Robertson who take Jew money.
"Think not I came to bring peace; rather, I come to bring a sword" (MATT 10:34).
"TRUTH" my eye, Apsterian. LIES and MORE LIES is what you are about. David Ray Griffin debunked the official story of the hijackers noting that many were alive following the event. Along with A.K. Dewdney, his research revealed that all of the phone calls reported could not have taken place. Griffin also documented the huge role of members of PNAC in the writing and editing of the 9/11 Commission Report.Elias Davidsson's research revealed the US Government has not shown the public a shred of evidence for its claim that planes were hijacked by terrorists or that planes crashed into the WTC, the Pentagon or Shanksville. There were no original manifests, no bodies of the alleged hijackers recovered and no serialized plane parts unique to every plane recovered. There were no boarding passes or eyewitnesses to the boarding of planes at the airports.Simon Shank and associates at September Clues have studied all of the archived network footage and found it to have been altered or created by computer generated imagery (CGI) and therefore not reliable as evidence.Those, still in the process of theorizing what was used to demolish the WTC and who did it, must consider ALL of the evidence. Those ignoring the massive research found in SC, are being foolish and are building on a false premise.
Joannie the Jew: name--tell me--ONE LIE I've told, u Jew liar.
Apsterian said:"Don't Forget How/Why Kikes Hate Christ/Christianity"I'm sorry, but I never heard a Christian speak like you do. You are giving Christians a bad name. Perhaps that is your goal.
Joannie The Jew Pretends To Be "Confused" About Real ChristianityJoannie the Jew: didn't u already say Christianity features "love for everyone"--which just plays into the Jews' hands?--as if u know anything about Christianity, ho ho hoh ho"[G]iving Christians a bad name"?--but didn't we Christians ALREADY have a "bad name" among u Jews?--I consider that's just the way life goes, eh?My "goal"?--it's good old Christian anti-Semitism--proper Christian obedience to God, eh?U "never hrd" Christian speak truth, quoting the relevant passages?--who's problem is that? Ho ho ho ho.So Joannie the Jew, u merely have to ask urself, "golly gee, but WHY do Jews hate Christianity so?"--is it because Christianity preaches idiotic, moron's "love" for everybody?--as u falsely assert? Ho ho ho hoNo Joannie the Jew, Jews hate Christianity because Christianity and Christ preaches TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH, the ONLY way to Godly happiness (Gosp. JOHN 14:6)Further, Christ reviled the Jews (Pharisees), as at Gosp. MATT ch 23, explaining Pharisees lie and diverge fm the law of Moses.Why worry about what Christians say, anyway?--can't u read? Ho ho ho ho hoNo Joannie the Jew: Jews and their Satanist co-conspirators are the problem, and my "goal" is to solve this problem, and it's well-done by means of the real, anti-Semitic, Christianity--that's why I cite for a dummy like u the relevant passages, moron.
While I am glad that Fetzer has seen the light regarding the verminous Jew and their apartheid, Zionist state they stole from the Palestinians, I loathe his ignorance regarding Hitler.Maybe it is just me, but I get tired of your canned lines, i.e. zip, nada, zero, zilch, etc...that now include your bunk and false Hitler quote. I am amazed how an otherwise intelligent man can realize that Israhell is the biggest threat to humanity, yet is so ignorant of the man that sought to purge Germany and greater Europe of these parasites. You twist Hiter's words, Fetzer.This is common of either the ignorant, or the disinfo agent.Page 185 of Mein Kampf:“But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. [...] All this was inspired by the principle — which is quite true in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.”Otherwise, I appreciate Dr. Fetzer's efforts to bring truth to the masses.
Christian TRUTH, Reason Key To Cultural Revival Against Jew/Satanist LiesSW: I think our good Prof. Fetzer deserves tremendous credit. Don't forget he completed--and endured--an extensive career in American public edjumacation and thought-control. Thanks goodness his mental faculties are so much still intact and working so productively.I absolutely assure u u can't even begin such academic career without being Jew-friendly and -sympathetic--anyone who is in any way NOT so sympathetic and receptive to Jew-worship is ruthlessly weeded-out--I KNOW, believe me.So our good prof. must have continued to learn and develop RATHER than to degenerating as happens to so many poor victims of academia.Even so, note it's still dangerous for ANYONE, academic or not, to be out-rightly anti-Semitic--one must be careful and choose rather to criticize "Zionists," ho ho ho ho--as if there's any substantial qualitative diff.So SW, again, I counsel u we should count our blessing w. such as Prof. Fetzer--he's not only extremely knowledgeable for logic, etc., but he forthrightly exposes the holohoax which is tantamount to HERESY, nowadays, ho ho ho ho.Fetzer also exposes USS Liberty incident and doesn't hesitate to note Jew involvement in 9/11 and how they dominate politics through AIPAC foreign agency--he only needs to see, as I've noted, how control of "central banking" makes possible this overwhelming political dominance.Everything considered, Prof. Fetzer is great voice for genuine TRUTH, hence, at least by implication, the real Christianity, worship of TRUTH (hence REASON and science) as ONLY way to Godly happiness, the most effective anti-Semitic program ever known in history. Never doubt Christian worship of TRUTH above all is why Jews so understandably hate dear Christianity.
Keep shining a light on these filthy Zionist cockroaches, gentlemen. Wells, Alex Jonestein, Bagman and Bagman World Zionist Report, Steve Quayle, LA Marzulli, Paul McGuire among others, are doing the Vampire Squid's work. Fetzer and Cimino, an irresistable combination, your work is greatly appreciated.
Jim Fetzer Said:Joan, Can you be this incredibly ignorant? I have published a dozen article about the destruction of the Twin Towers on Veterans Today and Gordon Duff and Ian have at least another half dozen. How many of them have your read:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I am very familiar with your nuke theory on how the WTC towers came down and how you and Don Fox believe the Israelis nuked them. I listen to all your podcasts and have read many of your articles. I just don't agree with your findings. I have written on this before and have been called names by you before. As host of this board, you shouldn't have such a thin skin. Would you prefer that your students and followers here lie?You and Don are assuming the television footage is real and not CGI. Until just recently, I thought only parts of it were CGI, but now it is clear ALL of it IS.You have let your imagination and dislike for Israel run away with you. There is no logic to your theory. By assuming the video account is totally accurate--the rubble pile and the demolition of the towers, you are fitting your theory to the photography. You WANT the perps to have killed 3,000. How preposterous. And why do you skip over the fact that since there were no planes, there were no fires, no smoke and no people would be trapped? Are you claiming the buildings were rigged prior to people arriving for work and then set off killing everyone? In which case, how do you explain all the scenes of fires and planes and smoke in the videos? Please address these issues in your nuke theory.I'm by no means fond of Israel, in fact I'm appalled by the fact that 2% of the population is in charge of all of the media, the arts, Congress, the banks, etc. If there was no need for nukes, i.e. that standard explosives could be used, why on earth would they take such a chance and go to such expense with nukes?Below is a list of reasons you and Don give for Israel as perp. You list the "shills" of the research establishment which is practically everyone, but you don't mention the one who is most feared and most maligned--Simon Shack--as one of the theorists. He belongs up there with Judy Wood and Steven Jones, except he is in a class by himself. I don't understand the animosity you have for him and people like me who appreciate his work--actually, who have come to appreciate his very hard work of which I was not aware until recently.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/28/2-2-israel-nuked-the-wtc-on-911/"We have determined that the mini/micro nuke hypothesis best fits the evidence."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/28/2-2-israel-nuked-the-wtc-on-911/"We have determined that the mini/micro nuke hypothesis best fits the evidence." How it was doneWTC-7 was destroyed by a classic controlled demolition, where all the floors fell at the same time, none of its floors were blown apart, and there was a stack of debris equal to 12% of the original height of the 47-story building (about 5.5 floors of debris). The Twin Towers, by contrast, were blow apart sequentially from the top down; they were converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust; each floor remained stationary until its turn came; and, when it was over, the buildings had been destroyed below ground level: there was no stack debris (which should have been around 12 floors high). They did not collapse. They were blown apart using mini or micro nukes, which too many have continued to deny for too long.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The major alternative theories of the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings include the directed energy weapon (DEW) (non) theory (associated with Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson), the nanothermite theory (associated with Steve Jones, Kevin Ryan and Richard Gage), the big nuke theory of Dimitri Khalezov (150 kt subbasement nukes) and the mini-nuke theory (associated with Dr. Ed Ward MD, the Anonymous Physicist, Dr. Bill Deagle, Jeff Prager and myself). Nuclear Bombs Narrows the List of SuspectsAs NTI.org has observed, “Israel has not joined the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) and is widely viewed as the first and only country in the Middle East to possess nuclear weapons. Why Were Israelis Dancing on 9/11?Shills Covering Up Israeli Nukes at the WTC? If you disagree with Judy Wood, Pete Santilli, Andrew Johnson, Emmanuel Goldstein, Thomas Potter or any other members of The Cult you will be subjected to attacks, intimidation and even death threats!Richard Gage does not allow discussion of any explosives except nanothermite. Israel neither confirms nor denies that they have nuclear weapons but it’s an open secret that they have several hundred nuclear devices. Israel does not allow inspectors into the Dimona facility.The 9/11 wars have primarily benefited Israel. Who had the motive, means and opportunity to nuke the World Trade Center Buildings? The answer is as obvious as “2″ plus “2″.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I'm sorry, but this is not a logical argument. Also, none of the researchers you mention has studied the archived TV footage for inconsistencies and anomales of which there are many. This is an early Sandy Hook/Boston Marathon fakery experiment.
P.S. I want to make it clear that I believe Israel is behind all the terrorism in Europe with help from NATO and is behind the so-called "terrorism" here in the US along with the US, CIA and other intel agencies. Israelis like to play the victim. It is infuriating and totally obvious. "Terrorism" is their favorite word and they like to attack their own buildings, synagogues, Jewish community centers, actually all things Jewish. (In fact, while on tour in Europe, two members from our tour were killed--shot-- in an attack blamed immediately on the Palestinians.) I have been keeping track of all of the terrorist attacks attributed to Abu Nidal--a Palestinian working for Israel--for decades. I would like to see an end to the harrassment of Holocaust truthers and others "offensive" to the ADL. Don't get me started on that.Just to shorten this criticism, I do believe Israel was involved big time in 9/11, but I don't think you've proved it. Nukes could have been used, but the more footage I see of scenes of 9/11, and there were many this13th anniversary--none of which made any sense--obviously spliced and doctored. The tapes are the key and you must explain all the anomalies especially those involving the victims and the compensation fund.
Joannie The Jew Continues Idiot Dis-InfoJoannie the Jew says: "I do believe Israel was involved big time in 9/11, but I don't think you've proved it. Nukes could have been used, but the more footage I see of scenes of 9/11, and there were many this13th anniversary--none of which made any sense--obviously spliced and doctored. The tapes are the key and you must explain all the anomalies especially those involving the victims and the compensation fund."* * * * * * * * * * * * *Joannie fails to understand science, the inductive process/method, and proper course of criminal investigations--IT'S INDUCTIVE PROCESS. Note induction is defined, generally, as generalization.Thus the various facts are collected and one considers most likely suspects based thereupon--Jews and Israel--they're everywhere, as Chris Bollyn makes clear, even if he makes serious mistakes in other ways ("planes" and the nano-thermite).Once the most likely suspects are gathered and listed, one now looks for exculpatory evidence and factors--Jews are incapable of eliminating themselves for culpability--their fingerprints are ALL OVER 9/11.Further, kikes continue to scream and protest they can't be suspected as it's "anti-Semitism," ho ho ho ho--which actually just confirms they did it.BUT IT'S AN INDUCTIVE process, regardless, and once again, and ALL THE EVIDENCE pt.s to kikes--which they fail to explain, on the contrary.This inductive process is the ONLY way things of investigation and science can possibly go, and the Jews and Israelis are rightly and heavily implicated--EVERYONE ELSE is effectively ruled out but for a few gentiles (CIA, FBI, etc.) who are always only "players" at the margins. Ruled-out MOST OF ALL are the Muzlims, ho ho ho, who had nothing to do w. anything but as PATSIES and fall-guys.So Joannie the Jew, u need to begin to grasp and understand how investigations must proceed w. use of INDUCTIVE LOGIC along w. accurate observation. Indeed, ur gross ignorance combined w. ur groundless protestations merely demonstrates how ur intense efforts of dis-info are designed to inject confusion and thus aid Jews and Satanists. U only fool urself, but as u're so entertaining for ur pathetic attempts, I urge u to keep talking, ho ho ho hoo.
Joan Said - "I am very familiar with your nuke theory on how the WTC towers came down and how you and Don Fox believe the Israelis nuked them. I listen to all your podcasts and have read many of your articles."---------------------------------------------------------------------------------While Fetzer hasn't read 1% of Simon's work, He may have seen a few pictures here and there but this researcher can't be bothered to research.Who is ignorant again?
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Jim Hollander said :"this researcher can't be bothered to research.Jim H. , Mr Fetzer does not seem to be familiar with his OWN research, let alone Simon Shacks.For example, when, over the weekend, in an email I pointed out to him the blatant inconsistency of the NIST collapse times of 9 and 11 secs for WTC1 and 2, when the only full network collapse video available for WTC1 [CNN] , shows a collapse time clearly double the NIST estimates, he replied: "You don't have it right. I have never placed specific emphasis on 9 and 11 seconds..."So to disprove that statement by him, I then replied, quoting his and D. Fox's very own words from his Veterans Today article for 12/19/13 , where he stated: "they took out one cube of 10 floors per second, then the time of destruction of the North Tower would have been 11 seconds and of the South–where the top three cubes tilted and were blown as one–9, which agrees with NIST’s own time estimate."Fetzer appears to want it both ways- to use the NIST figures as part of his "proof" of the mini nuke theory, but at the very same time he wishes to deny that he has ever placed any emphasis on NIST's collapse times, even though his very own published words deny that! A great example of what Orwell called "doublespeak" I believe. Regards, onebornfree.See also: "9/11 Scams:The Faked "Live" CNN WTC1 Collapse Footage ":http://onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2013/09/911-scamsthe-faked-live-cnn-wtc1.html
Joan Edwards said: "You and Don are assuming the television footage is real and not CGI. Until just recently, I thought only parts of it were CGI, but now it is clear ALL of it IS." Welcome to the club, Joan!Regards, onebornfree
Joan Edwards said:" Also, none of the researchers you mention has studied the archived TV footage for inconsistencies and anomales of which there are many."While the procedural error of not closely studying/analyzing _all_ of the alleged live, archived MSM footage for the morning of 9/11 may be forgiven in the instance of non- "scientific" researchers, the exact same error, when committed by those claiming a scientific education/background is, in my opinion, a _gross_ methodological error - especially when that error is repeatedly pointed out to those "scientific" researchers, including Mr Fetzer. In my own humble opinion, no one trained in the scientific methodology should be automatically elevating _any_/all archived MSM footage to the status of genuine, trustworthy evidence, and then using that as "genuine evidence" to support/formulate a particular 9/11 hypothesis, be it about demolition methodology or something else entirely- it first of all has to be rigorously checked and re-checked to see if it is in fact, genuine, reliable evidence. And yet, to this day,"scientist"/ researchers such as Fetzer, Wood, Hall, Johnson, etc. refuse to re-trace their steps and start over by taking the very necessary step of serious, close review of the original "live" MSM footage as archived. Indeed, Mr Fetzer has in fact stated:"....Footage broadcast “LIVE” to the world about an event of this magnitude across all the networks has a prima facie claim to being taken as authentic.."See: "911 Scams:Professor Jim "First Blush" Fetzer's Trashing of The Scientific Method":http://onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2013/11/911-scams-professor-jim-first-blush.htmlRegards,onebornfree.
One-Born-Brainless Ought To Consider His Own Presumption"One-born-brainless": u ought to take ur own understanding of ur "humble opinion" to heart--it's "humble" for excellent, objective reason, I assure u.As has been noted, vid evidence is hardly the only evidence (a), and (b) even if the vids are questionable, some parts of the vids might well remain to being worth-while.And observe ur own criticisms don't help ur fellow Jews, do they? For if the "live" footage is questionable, then it only implicates Jews-media, doesn't it?--and then the only question is why and how for co-operating w. the other Jews and Israelis involved.So if Fetzer fails or neglects to respond to ur Jewwy bleatings, then u might consider ur "criticisms" are simply not worth the effort or time. But if they ARE worth the effort, perhaps u should say why.
For those interested, here is the latest, 9/11 13th anniversary radio interview with 9/11 researcher Simon Shack [of "September Clues" fame], on the Fakeologist radio show, recorded 09/13/14:http://fakeologist.com/2014/09/13/ep124-911-show-with-simon-shack/Regards, onebornfree
For those interested, here is the latest, 9/11 13th anniversary radio interview with 9/11 researcher Simon Shack [of "September Clues" fame], on the Fakeologist radio show, recorded 09/13/14:http://fakeologist.com/2014/09/13/ep124-911-show-with-simon-shack/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~OBF, I listened to this last night and was going to post a link this morning to it. Simon elaborated on his 9/11 theory--something I have wished for for a long time. I'm glad to hear he is at long last getting the recognition he so richly deserves. Apparently, people are realizing there is much more to 9/11 than the stuff put out by Fetzer, Wood, Gage and others. Simon also warns of the media tricks that continue to fool us. By ignoring the media coverage, not only the visuals but the commentary by the anchors, they are ignoring the pre-knowledge of the plot by these media personalities. And where was the press that day? They should have been on the ground at the WTC yet there are no photos of evacuations or the action that would have happened under the Fetzer scenario.Great show, Ab Irato and Simon!
Joannie The Jew Urgently Needs "Leg" To Standing UponJoannie the Jew said:"Simon elaborated on his 9/11 theory--something I have wished for for a long time. I'm glad to hear he is at long last getting the recognition he so richly deserves. Apparently, people are realizing there is much more to 9/11 than the stuff put out by Fetzer, Wood, Gage and others."* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Joannie the Jew: so ur Jew buddy named Simon is putting-out neat dis-info eh?--ho ho ho--and WE NOTICE u say nothing whatsoever about the substance of the theory, how he arrived at it, etc.--TYPICAL for u Jews, asserting without substantiating.But as I understand about Prof. Fetzer regarding his "theory": FIRST he strives to use the scientific method & induction, making use of observation, and only then concluding therefrom. So is there an improvement u'd recommend, Joannie?--are there any observations u think Fetzer has over-looked?I've been listening to (reading) ur whining and bleating on blog comment after comment, but I notice u NEVER actually say anything of substance--NEVER.And WHAT would u know anyway?--considering u don't understand basic thing like inductive logic.After all, if u're gonna criticize a genuine scientist, who understands scientific method, induction, etc., don't u think u ought to have a proverbial "leg" to be standing upon?
"I'm glad to hear he is at long last getting the recognition he so richly deserves." --Joannie the Jew* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tell us about it, Joannie--why does Simon deserve this "credit"?--for what?--can u say?
What are you so nervous about, Aspartame? You are doing some fast tap-dancing. How is 9/11 different from Sandy Hook you were all so indignant about? Could it be you are protecting the very vermin you claim to despise?http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=814&start=465On a more serious note, I think it is high time for everyone to realize that the "Veterans Today" crowd (Fetzer/ Gordon Duff / Jim Dean /Dennis Cimino/ Ian Greenhalgh/ Don Fox / Kevin Barrett - etc ) is nothing but a crude - and transparently obvioUS - American military "cointelpro" operation - tasked with the gatekeeping for their all-important, military-controlled news media propaganda division - whose mass-control agenda heavily relies on fake imagery aired on TV - and on all other mainstream media outlets
Joannie Now Discovers Insidious Subversion On Part Of Veterans"Nervous"?--ho ho ho--u're one who can't answer simple questions--what's soooooooo brilliant about ur Jewwy buddy, Simon?--tell us, already."Nervous"?--at least I understand process of induction for investigations, un-like someone else we know, ho ho ho hoI wouldn't think of "protecting" vermin, by golly--what ARE u talking about?--ho ho ho. I don't recall I ever mentioned Sandy Hook, this blog, anyway. I rather think our good Prof. has done much to definitively solve that problem--but by all means, correct me if I'm wrong. Ho ho ho ho--see how jolly I am, as usual? Ho ho ho hoU're the one who keeps harping on "fake imagery" which anyone could admit might well be manipulated/affected by Jews-media--did u see the satanic horns Obongo was suddenly wearing on one of the pictures released by his own press-office? Ho ho ho hoDo u get impression we're all being toyed-with by Satanists?Sure Veterans Today COULD be psy-ops, BUT remember u need to have at least one or two particular instances in order to demonstrate ur general theory, which as usual u don't provide. Females are just miserable at logic, I note--esp. u. But do keep us informed for all ur latest brilliant discoveries.Tell us, again, about ur buddy Simon's brilliant gems of investigation and analysis, do.
OBF said: And yet, to this day,"scientist"/ researchers such as Fetzer, Wood, Hall, Johnson, etc. refuse to re-trace their steps and start over by taking the very necessary step of serious, close review of the original "live" MSM footage as archived. Indeed, Mr Fetzer has in fact stated:"....Footage broadcast “LIVE” to the world about an event of this magnitude across all the networks has a prima facie claim to being taken as authentic.." James Fetzer~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The unprecedented WTC demolition job was far too risky an affair to be shown on LIVE TV - (or to let any amateur cameraman capture it on film). The 9/11 conspirators had no intention whatsoever to offer such a "pyrotechnical" spectacle to world scrutiny - just imagine how unspeakably foolish this would have been. Thus, in all probability, the oldest trick in the manuals of covert military ops was used: smokescreens. More recent technology deactivated temporarily all cameras within sight of the area. In reality, the towers were most likely enveloped in thick smoke (military obscurants) as they collapsed - and no real footage exists of that brief event. Thankfully - for all normal people of this world - the 9/11 planners hired a poorly skilled animation crew : in their efforts to simulate reality, their crass 'artistry' and countless mistakes provide ample and repeatable proof of the trickery - forever engraved in the TV archives. ........Simon Shack, www.septemberclues.info...
I disagree with the zionist and neocon theories but the impossibility of planes on 9/11 was excellently explained in the show.
Fetzer's constant state of irritation and frustration is quite wearing on my nerves. He repeats the same points over and over verbatim from one interview to the next. Always behaving like he is totally pissed off.I wish he could calm down and not get so excited in his presentations. After hearing him dozens of time. It makes me feel anxious just listening to him.
911truthnc: we notice u too seldom really have anything of substance to add or observe, u typically commenting like a female, talking about emotional-type affect.Note basic essentials and principles must remain the same despite any diff. particular pt.s or issues that may come-up. So our good Prof. is quite right to emphasize and reiterate the basicsI must say I disagree about Fetzer being p-o'd, on the contrary, he's almost as jolly as I am, ho ho ho ho--notice?--ho ho ho
Every interview he does he uses the exact same phrases. Almost as if he has committed a script to memory and not just phrasing it as he goes. "Blown to kingdom come in the memorable phrase of Morgan Reynolds."
Logical Fallacies Will Be Ruthlessly Shot-Down, Never DoubtAnon: Prof Fetzer is true veteran of academia--imagine all the classes he gave on same subjects year after year. One reason I like Fetzer is he's tremendous for immediately naming the particular logical fallacy any opponent may typically attempt--which happens so often, if u're fan of his shows and other shows where he's guest.Just because Fetzer is so often right shouldn't make u envious and start carping about stylisms or any repetitions for phrases--remember as I noted above, basic premises must remain the same for consistency, integrity, and honesty, regardless the particular subject-matter or details being discussed. U're verging on "red-herring" diversion fallacy, ho ho hoo ho
It would be a red herring if I was making an argument. I'm not. I'm making an observation that long time listeners are going to find it very difficult to listen to new shows/interviews he does because we already know in advance what he's going to say and precisely how he will phrase it. Plus, he never had OBF back on like he promised.
You really need to get over yourself if youhave issues with Jim's speaking style. Your problem is a personal problem!
The main evidence we have for 9/11 is the 102 minute tapes of video footage claimed to be broadcast live from five networks. These videos are archived and can be viewed in their entirety at the 9/11 archives site.It has been established by all of the serious researchers that there were no hijackings and no planes which crashed into the WTC, the Pentagon or at Shanksville. Therefore, we know that the images of planes in the archived footage is false as would be images of the billowing smoke from the towers, the fireballs, the fires, the "jumpers," and, most of all, the gashes in facades of the towers where planes are alleged to have entered.The fact that there were no planes negates all of the 102 minutes of the "live" videos. False in one, false in all. The top down demolition images of the towers were falsified to make it appear that fires above where the non-existent planes hit trapped three thousand people. Given that we now agree there were no planes, there were no trapped people above the "hit" zone. The video footage had to have been falsified which means the Fetzer nuke theory cannot be correct. 3,000 people did not die on 9/11. This should be good news. All that happened was several building demolitions. The rest was staged.
Joannie Presents Logical Puzzles To Confuse The GoyimJoannie says: "Given that we now agree there were no planes, there were no trapped people above the "hit" zone. The video footage had to have been falsified which means the Fetzer nuke theory cannot be correct. 3,000 people did not die on 9/11. This should be good news. All that happened was several building demolitions. The rest was staged."* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Joannie: there COULD have been planes--though not crashed into bldgs. There COULD have been explosions, even if not caused by planes, and thus there MIGHT have been people trapped. I also agree vids could have been falsified, but how much?--and there had to have been OTHER vids fm free-lancers and private citizens.So in logic, it's known as "non-sequitur" ("not following") to then say "nuke theory cannot be correct." I sure am glad God didn't make me a female, to have to struggle so sadly w. otherwise simple thing as logic, by golly. And NEWSFLASH: vids are NOT NOT NOT only evidence for events of 9/11.So Joannie: who owns Jews-media?--could it be Jews? And who controls the criminal banks, beginning w. US Federal Reserve Bank (legalized) COUNTERFEIT scam?--could it be Jews?--and haven't we ALWAYS known this, or at least known about the controversy?But no one cared, or not enough--long as the US Dollar was flying-high giving us all the "bread & circuses," eh?There's also a problem w. ur "false in one, false in all"--this isn't necessarily true, Joannie-Joan. Only if a detail or item is provably false can it be rightly ruled-out; otherwise anything that might reasonably be evidence deserves to be presented to the jury. Sure am glad I'm not female, by George--u people are mentally retarded, I swear. Ho ho ho hoo hoSee Joannie: u're such a scatter-brained muddle-head, all u work to doing is mucking things up in confusion and controversy, eh?--but that's okay--it's good for mental-exercise for us who can truly and accurately think straight for logic. Ho ho ho ho ho
"Joannie: there COULD have been planes--though not crashed into bldgs. There COULD have been explosions, even if not caused by planes, and thus there MIGHT have been people trapped. "I also agree vids could have been falsified, but how much?--and there had to have been OTHER vids fm free-lancers and private citizens.""So in logic, it's known as "non-sequitur" ("not following") to then say "nuke theory cannot be correct." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Well, Mr. Non-sequitur of which you are the king, which is it, planes or no planes? Did planes hit the towers, as shown in the videos, creating fireballs, gashes in the facade, smoke and fire or didn't they? If not how come the videos show planes hitting the towers, fireballs, smoking gashes. Please explain that.
Joannie: if there's a non-sequitur of which I'm guilty, u need to pt. it out, rather than just asserting-without-substantiation, like typical Jew, ok?I don't claim to be expert, but seems to me there may have been planes in the vicinity, though not necessarily, but probably not hitting any bldgs.And I've already acknowledged the vids could well have been faked quite a bit by ur Jew buddies in Jews-media.AND--I rather think Jewdy Wood makes most sense for her explanation--the DEWs, rather than nukes. For there's problem w. the Bankers Trust bldg. which had to be demolished due to some strange effect, probably NOT nukes.
Please tell us how the cookie-cutter plane-shaped openings were made in the building. I believe Dr. Fetzer believes they were made with cutter charges. That means the fireballs must have been real too. Imagine what a trick exploding cutter charges was if the buildings had been rigged with nukes! Just think of what might go wrong and with all those cameras running. You really have to give them credit for the artistry and precision. Did they round up three thousand people in the upper floors just to be mean? Remember, Father Morales was there immediately to give last rites. He testified to that on one of the podcasts. He said something to the effect the ground was all slimy with the blood of the victims. PS. Does anyone have an explanation for the Victim's Compensation Fund? What theory was behind that program. Was it to save the airlines from lawsuits? What happened to the passengers in the non-existent flights and how come their families came away with millions?
Joannie: note people behind 9/11, undoubtedly same people behind the master fraud & criminal enterprise, the US Federal Reserve Bank (legalized) COUNTERFEIT scam, are (a) JEWS, but further, (b) SATANISTS, without any doubt--along w. their usual complement of gentile suck-alongs and cohorts.Jews dominate & control Satanists just like they pre-dominate communists, bankers, corp. CEOs.So be assured, these Satanists and Jews wouldn't hesitate to kill people nearly gratuitously. There were numerous people killed, indubitably, though exact number may not be too certain.
Joan Edwards said :".... That means the fireballs must have been real too. .."Joan, regarding the fireball for the alleged 2nd hit, have you watched Simon Shack's excellent "Synched Out" video, where he demonstrates that despite the fact that all 5 MSM stations are perfectly in synch prior to the 2nd strike and resulting fireball [I counted at least 6 instances where all 5 MSM networks were broadcasting the exact same "live" image feed, at the _exact_ same time], that when the 2nd strike occurred, the fireball for Fl. 175 occurs and endures at different times, the most glaring exception being the ABC footage versus the CBS footage. In my opinion, that one video of Simon's, all by itself, proves that the footage we saw that morning was not genuine live footage, but prefabricated fake [CGI] imagery being broadcast as the real thing.See Simon Shack's "Synched Out": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P9k7Et4zUkRegards, onebornfree.
Television networks may have different numbers of seconds delay of the live broadcast.
Excellent observation, OBF!!!But may I also add:On the 9/11 morning, when a record-setting number of "war games" were covertly running in DC, NYC, and all throughout the Military-Industrial complex, those far-from-perfect computer simulations of the twin-towers attack (probably originally prepared for "Vigilant Guardian" et. al.) had to be hot-switched BY SOMEBODY into the national network feeds of each of the major TV networks. And all the other technicians, busily watching and adjusting their vision-and-audio mixers, preview-and-program monitors, vectorscopes, waveform monitors, frame synchronisers, microwave-linking hardware, and INSTANT REPLAY units just HAD to include some guys (far enough down the chain of authority not to have been sworn to secrecy and threatened with death) who either instantly, or eventually, realised that their live-program streams had been HIJACKED -- for at least a few minutes, if not the rest of the morning.Now think about this: The broadcast-TV technicians' unions, in the nation's capitol and in the Big Apple, are among the strongest in the country. NOBODY touches a switch or adjusts a knob that's outside his closed-shop, contract-defined job classification and assignment. And these dudes stay in their jobs for decades, with iron-clad employment security. If even one of the many master-control or microwave-link technicians from that day is reading these comments, or if one of this website's readers knows somebody who knows somebody who was "on the inside" of big-time network TV technical operations on 9/11, then maybe we can get some details on JUST HOW the hot-switching was done and WHERE the substitute video/audio feeds came from? WTC7 perhaps? Or possibly StratCom in Omaha -- next door to where lots of financial bigwigs were gathering that very morning, and where Dubya was "summoned" by the PTB later in the day.(continued...)
(continuing...)And if the feed point was out in Omaha, rather than at the soon-to-be-demolished WTC7, then maybe, just maybe, the playback tapes and transmission gear that were used still survives -- somewhere in the heart of DARPA-darkness. (It would make great material evidence at an international warcrimes tribunal someday.) In Mr. Shack's excellent "Synched Out," showing each of the simultaneous network news streams and also displaying the precise time both before and after the second sim-hit, you can see each network SUPPOSEDLY choosing, INDEPENDENTLY, to execute replays of the sim-hit at various later intervals and from SUPPOSEDLY their own proprietary chopper or fixed-cam feeds of the Manhattan skyline. A careful analysis of these simultaneous network streams reveals, however, that some identical segments of the same "footage" show up, multiple times, on different network streams AND with different keyed-in logos! So, if some of these identical segments of proprietary footage were being borrowed from the rival networks' news streams (a courtesy arrangement that can and does occur in crisis situations) there should have been one logo layered upon another logo, or a "courtesy of" notice, each time the borrowings occured, but that is not the case -- strongly suggesting that all the networks' proprietary video shots of the sim-hit actually originated from a single, covert source. And although most of the network "real-time choices" to replay the sim-hit do give the illusion of being the result of independent editorial/control-room decisions to activate a replay device (either a dedicated instant-replay unit or just a re-wound and re-cued video deck) with independently chosen starting and stopping points, a dead giveaway to there being an external, covert source for the "footage" occurs just before the networks all "decide" to switch to a pool feed from the Bushmaster's Florida photo-op. Now get this: The last of the networks to switch to the Florida feed shows one final replay of the sim-hit, and both the camera composition and the starting/stopping points are IDENTICAL to a replay shown earlier on another network -- but now the keyed-in logo is different! It seems that the perps had a only a rather limited amount of pre-edited (with replays) sim-footage prepared for each network to show, with each of the sim-streams varied (in shot choices) just enough to create the illusion of separate "live" switching decisions going on in the respective control rooms. However, the creators of the sim-footage (maybe working on a tight deadline... or just geting lazy) eventually started to repeat even the replay starting/stopping decisions, which meant that just before that overly repetitious point occurred in playing back the simulations, it was essential for all the network control rooms to "dump out" of the sim-footage and switch to Florida. But one network was slightly too late. Gotcha! :)
@onebornefree to be correct, this simultaneous video feed going through a bunch of "independent" networks doesn't tell it was prefabricated. All it tells it was one feed that was played by everyone. Shades and colors were adjusted to make it appear unique. Each network could have been offered different movies showing the same event. That would be more like professional job. .
Simon Pimon said :"@onebornefree to be correct, this simultaneous video feed going through a bunch of "independent" networks doesn't tell it was prefabricated. All it tells it was one feed that was played by everyone. Shades and colors were adjusted to make it appear unique. Each network could have been offered different movies showing the same event. That would be more like professional job. "S.P.: "All it tells it was one feed that was played by everyone."You might think so, but you'd be wrong, in my opinion. Simon's analysis shows that there are at least two different feeds,and that the synchronicity between those feeds was lost before the 2nd hit, for whatever reason[ most likely _un_professionalism], so that 1 hit and resultant fireball [ABC] occurs a full 2 secs before it does on CBS.So there had to be at least 2 different versions of the 9/11 movie running simultaneously, thats why they go out of synch, or are "Synched Out" to use Simon's term. Please watch the whole analysis end to end to see what Simon is saying.Regards, onebornfree.
Andy Tyme said: "Excellent observation, OBF!!!" Thanks Andy, but please don't credit me. Simon's the guy who did the work for this simultaneous network analysis, after all. He deserves all the credit, and our thanks. I'm just passing the info on here. Regards, onebornfree.
onebornfree said: "[I counted at least 6 instances where all 5 MSM networks were broadcasting the exact same "live" image feed, at the _exact_ same time]," Ooops- a misstatement. What I meant to say is that I have counted at least 6 instances where two or more stations were broadcasting the exact same feed at the exact same moment in time. It varies from 2 to 4, I believe.I think 4 out of the 5 networks is the most simultaneous broadcasting at any one time - you can see this point in time reached where Simon has imposed the word "JACKPOT" across the screen. Sorry I cannot give an exact time reference within Simon's movie right now - I'm too busy doing other stuff.Regards, onebornfree.
Andy Tyme, why don't you come over and explain your new theory at Cluesforum? http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2391914#p2391914 I can't wait! :-)Simon Shack
onebornfree said: ".... so that 1 hit and resultant fireball [ABC] occurs a full 2 secs before it does on CBS." CORRECTION!! [looks like I screwed up]: Two misstatements in the above quote [my excuse, its been a week since I looked at the video]. The time differential between the 2nd strike as depicted on CBS versus ABC is around 3 secs. ,not 2 as I had previously said, and, I had the stations reversed, the strike is in fact first seen on CBS, and then 3 secs later, on ABC, and _not_ the other way around , as I had wrongly claimed before.Sorry about that. [I need to drink more, perhaps.]Regards, onebornfree.
I never watch news, never did. I don't have a clue how the tv works. I presume only that there is some cooperation between otherwise competing networks on occasions like that and the jackpots could be explained away with the networks sharing pictures from whoever gets the best shots or something like that. Too much fuss about nothing.
Dear SP, I am of the opinion that the apparent competition (as perceived by the public) between the big media corporations is nothing but an illusion - much like the "left-right paradigm". It is a deliberately-maintained myth sold to the masses in order to uphold the common / widespread misconception that the news media performs the 'checks & balances' needed in a truly free and democratic society - exposing any government malfeasance and such things. They don't. They are the monolithic propaganda arm of the powers-that-be (or "the Nutwork", as I like to call it) - to which they are fully subservient to - and closely collaborate, on a regular basis, with the military and the "intelligence" agencies to stage psyops aimed at deceiving and manipulating the masses. In fact, 9/11 provided the ultimate proof that this is the case - for a large number of reasons and tell-tale giveaways.This very "REAL DEAL" blogspot - which attracts those of us who have the 'gall' of questioning things, is a so-called 'limited hangout', i.e. just another little military-funded joint pretending to 'champion the cause of truth'. It's primary task is to divert any inquiries away from the mainstream media's complicity in these psyops - and basically, to make everyone waste their own time by misdirecting any line of serious research.Thankfully, it now looks like - slowly but surely - most of the contributors to this "REAL DEAl" blogspot comment section are starting to realize this. :-) Simon Shack
Well, u know, simon the Jew--we all do best we can, right? HO ho oh hoIt's like its all huge, big MYSTERY to such as u, eh? Ho ho ho hoFact is we, and lots of folks have always known, "it's Jews, stupid," eh? And as I've noted, it looks like Jews will continue to rule long as their basic weapon continues, fiat-money and central-banking.What are u but dis-info, long as u fail to pt. out this central-banking instrument?
Apsterian, I am not a jew - by any stretch of imagination. The rumor that "Simon Shack is a Jew" has been propagated by people wishing to discredit my 9/11 research. I have, for instance, repeatedly asked Jim Fetzer to interview jewish individuals (whom I strongly suspect being fully involved with the 9/11 hoax) such as Kenneth Feinberg, Steven Rosenbaum and Charles Hirsch.Fetzer has never bothered even responding to these requests of mine. What gives?See, I am even taking time responding to a "ho-ho-ho-clown" like yourself - so why wouldn't Fetzer take time responding to a longtime 9/11 researcher like myself?
Whatever Material Always Needs ContextGosh, I don't know "simon" (ho ho ho), but I'm sure good prof. would give u a try if u had any info--maybe u should sum it up, and then say why/how ur info is worth-while--what earth-shattering conclusions it would lead to?See Simon: people KNOW and suspect lots of things, but they don't too much care long as they get their share of bread & circuses--just like in Roman times. NOTHING will change till US Dollar finally collapses--get it?We're in CYCLIC Spenglerian "Decline of the West," and it's because people of West are so well propagandized, the real Christianity (anti-Semitic) being forgotten and un-known, people rather mesmerized on Jewwy-type thought-patterns, etc.People fail to note Judaism IS SATANISM--and they can't figure-out Christianity is meant to be anti-satanic, hence anti-Semitic. So just like 9/11 scared people into accepting Jew-domination and dictatorship, they'll need something like-wise horrific to scare them out of such Jew-sympathy, and I think that will only be US Dollar collapse, coming soon.I do wish u good luck if u really have anything, but u gotta realize u have to place it within the larger context--"Decline of the West," by Spengler, for example.
Apsterian wrote:"Gosh, I don't know "simon" (ho ho ho), but I'm sure good prof. would give u a try if u had any info--maybe u should sum it up, and then say why/how ur info is worth-while--what earth-shattering conclusions it would lead to?"Well - I actually HAVE summed up my research into Ken Feinberg, Steven Rosenbaum and Charles Hirsch - on my own forum. Anyone can access my forum and read these articles:About Ken Feinberg;http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2390172#p2390172About Steven Rosenbaum:http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2346207#p2346207About Charles Hirsch:http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2389385#p2389385Enjoy. Simon Shack
Jews Have SO MUCH Captured Western Culture, People Don't RealizeUr forum looks very interesting simon--I'll have to ck things further, for sure.Remember, regarding the holohoax, for example,--lots of people know about it (the hoax of it all), but too few care. People continue to think Judaism is half-way legitimate religion, not realizing it's just Satanism--and that that's why Christianity opposes it, why Jews had to kill Christ, at least for the story, etc.Doesn't mean Christianity is anything OTHER than literature, not necessarily actual history--it's just the opposing of contrary ideals/premises, Christian TRUTH vs. Jew lies; objectivity vs. subjectivism.Jews have been SOOOOOOOO successful, they've even got people thinking of Christianity in Judaic ways--like for pretending Christianity has to be "believed" regardless of any factual content or value. Christianity is first, and most, LITERATURE.I suspect, if u can keep ur forum going, it will have more and more success, visitors--this, as US Dollar collapses. Good luck. A.
And one other thing:Note also the effect of "THE BIG LIE"--a lie so huge and outrageous, like "the US gov. WOULDN'T murder it's own people"--or launch a huge psy-ops like 9/11--that the people REFUSE to believe it even if they can formulate or grasp it for a moment.Such a BIG-LIE surely operates and exists within our present putrid Jew-dominated culture--and 9/11 isn't the only one--Sandy Hook is another.So we only need to present proper CONTEXT for our people--but even that will have to depend on circumstances--like imminent economic collapse for fullest effects.
THE 9/11 SMOKESCREENWas WTC7 possibly the day's 'smoke generator'?As my readers will know, I have long theorized that - in order to pull of the 9/11 hoax in bright daylight (and fooling all onlookers) - a dense military-grade smokescreen was raised around the WTC area BEFORE the towers were brought down (with safe / 100% reliable conventional demo explosives). If you wonder what a military smoke generator is, here's for instance what was available ... back in 1943[picture of machine billowing dense white clouds resembling dust clouds after demolition.]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2391828#p2391828Now, think about it: would this not go to support the notion that the 9/11 master-plan was as simple as this? :A- Activate smoke generators slightly before 9:59am (when TV viewers will be shown the first tower collapse)B- Pull down / demolish the now obscured-from-sight twin towers with conventional demo explosives C- Pump out smoke until late afternoon - so as to obscure Lower Manhattan until dusk / sundown D- Pull down / demolish WTC7 in the late afternoon - (and with it, of course, all the smoke generators~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~WTC7 is separated from the towers by the street which it faces and WTC6 and WTC5. Billowing white smoke coming from that area would have to travel quite a way to WTC2 and might interfere with the demolition.In order to keep the public away from the about to be demolished WTC2 and WTC1 and to obscure the buildings wouldn't some kind of misty smoke screen have been used about the bases of the towers long before the demolition? I've seen small bomb-like devices thrown on the ground which explode and create a temporary smoke screen. (See movie, "Thomas Crown Affair.")People have just learned of the crash a few minutes earlier and few have their TVs on at that time. What is remembered is the black, smoking gash in WTC1. I don't think it was actual as it was only seen in real time for short time. But the image on TV is iconic and sold the lie that a plane flew through the building. I couldn't find your take on that in SC, Simon. My opinion is that was photoshopped into the facade of WTC1.
Dear Joan, I have seen you musing a lot about the "airplane-shaped-gashes". Of course they were - uh - 'photoshopped' as you say, although we could more correctly say that they were just part of the prefabricated 9/11 "Hollywood movie's" special fx depictions. So, what did onlookers see in REALITY that day? Well, firstly we have to imagine what (distant) onlookers were actually able to see - in CLEAR DETAIL.Let's get real now, and keep in mind that access to the immediate WTC area was obviously militarily denied - so that any onlookers would have been too far away to make out the PRECISE shape of the gash - as depicted in the grossly / and demonstrably fake 9/11 imagery. Moreover, and this fact is often 'forgotten & overlooked' : for chrissakes, Manhattan is chock full of high rise buildings, so VERY FEW people would have had a clear view of the WTC towers! NO ONE had a 'helicopter vantage point' of the area (as was shown on TV for the entire morning).Now, how are we to know EXACTLY how this played out in reality? Did (distant) onlookers - strolling about on that early Tuesday morning - perhaps see something resembling what was shown on TV? Did they see a smoke trail emerging out of the upper floors of WTC1 from what looked like a gash at a diagonal angle? Sure, why not? A few smoke generator pipes might well have been placed in the top floors of WTC1 at a diagonal angle to 'corroborate' what was aired on TV - in the first few minutes of the event. But, as you rightly say, why worry about the few, super-observant New Yorkers who might have successively complained that what they saw wasn't EXACTLY consistent with what was shown on TV? Even if they had been able to capture a distant picture / or video of it, it would have shown smoke exiting from an apparent diagonal gash in the upper floors of WTC1 - much like what was shown on TV. In any case. as soon as the smokescreen enveloped the entire WTC area, the perps would have been 'on safe ground' - and could 'safely' start the demolition process. To be sure, multiple explosions were reported (for what it's worth) by SCORES of bystanders. As it is, no one can say that there are NO testimonies to multiple, rapid boom-boom-boom explosions - just like conventional demolitions produce. This was clearly a (minor) problem for the perps, who had no option but to allow such aural testimonies to 'leak' into the public sphere. Did these multiple testimonies of rapid, successive explosions cause any sort of public outrage? Nope.As for the smokescreen, even the rare and few "street-reporting" TV sceneries (think Rick Leventahl - with his infamous "eyewitness" Mark Psycho Walsh) showed a backdrop (WTC area) totally clogged in impenetrable smoke. Sure, we were told that these were POST-collapse sceneries - but who is to say?... Just WHEN was this smokescreen raised? Who knows? Can ANYONE prove that it wasn't raised BEFORE the first tower collapse timeline of 9:59am (as seen on TV)? No. And that is my point. I now believe that the miltary-grade smoke generators were placed in the South side of WTC7 - and this would explain why Building 7 came down in the late afternoon - after its purpose had been fulfilled: to engulf all of Lower Manhattan in an impenetrable cloud of smoke. Simon Shack
Simon, thanks for taking the time to elaborate on what really happened on 9/11. I've been the lone voice here saying this event was a made-for-TV-movie. So, I really appreciate your clearing this up about the fact that there could have been no eyewitnesses to complain about TV images not matching. To whom would they complain with the media totally controlled as it is? It is a great point that no one could really see those buildings unless they were in a chopper. Living in a big city, one can't even see what's happening a block away let alone what is happening to a building miles away downtown. You have to turn on your TV set to see what's going on and now, we have to make sure we're not watching a 9/11-Sandy Hook video. It is so easy for our leaders to fool us. A crime doesn't have to be committed to be real if it's stated as fact on television.
I'm not defending them, Joan, but have you given a close examinationto the alleged "home movies" supposedly taken from the Jersey Shore(and therefore possibly out of range of the military-grade,camera-disabling RF waves) when the Towers fell?If so, I'd like to learn your opinion of what those videos show.
Andy, I'm not familiar with videos from the Jersey Shore except for Rick Segal's work. Why would there be camera disabling waves if there was nothing to see. The public had no foreknowledge of what 9/11 would turn into. FEMA, police and others were participating in what they thought was a drill, keeping pedestrians away from the site.Any videos supporting the official story have to be doctored. JF had a guest on his show from N.J. who posted a picture of the towers billowing black smoke and he claimed to have heard the plane that hit WTC2. The photo is an obvious fake. I'll see if I can find it.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1016147/911 Eyewitness Hoboken TV (Video 2005) - IMDb StorylineInternet web-casting pioneer Richard A Siegel, of OnlineTV fame, captured both of the World Trade Towers collapsing and a lot more. See the raw footage and listen to Rick's eyewitness testimony of the daring helicopter rescue on the roof of the south tower, WTC2, only moments before it collapsed into "a pile of dust." For the first time, see and hear the massive explosions at the base of the towers causing clouds of dust to rise up from street level before each tower fell. This documentary focuses on the events recorded by Richard A. Siegel at the Hoboken pier during the September 11, 2001 destruction of the World Trade Center complex. Written by James Brewster
Since we both seem to be defenders of the Shack-ian hypothesis of massive 9/11 image-fakery, Joan, I was certainly not trying to build support for the deservedly suspect, commercial-and-propaganda enterprise of Mr. Siegel.Rather, since camera-disabling waves ARE part of the Shack explanation for there being no Tuesday-morning reliable imagery originating in Lower Manhattan -- I just wanted to explore the POSSIBILITY that genuine pictures exist (taken from Jersey) of the Towers being enveloped in smoke WITHOUT any "plane-hit" or "fireball" activity preceding the erecting of the smoke barrier.
You want the pictures from NJ, or any other place with a good look at the towers, to show smoke barrier, there is plenty of them, showing just that, the smoke barrier. Type "view from NJ at WTC smoke." images. Apparently diluted fog was still there around the place at September 15. There was no need to jam anything and why would there be? Views are consistent.The gashes were unbolted holes. The time between the first explosion till the demo procedure left the view open. Why complicate? Just cut the fucking holes and push out smoke out, and get moving. The gashes that circulate today on the internet contain artifacts such as android shapes and in itself are artifacts, with a small reasonable doubt, that is.
Joan, thanks for reminding me of that clownish Rick Siegel character. You inspired me to write today this little summary - for the historical record...Enjoy:"RICK SIEGEL- unforgettable mega shill"http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2391951#p2391951Simon Shack
View topic - RICK SIEGEL - unforgettable mega shill • Cluesforum.info "RICK SIEGEL is an award-winning Director of Photography who has worked in film and television for over twenty-five years. He has been DP on several feature films, including Bomber, which won Best Feature at several major film festivals, and Trust, Greed, Bullets and Bourbon, which is in post-production (8.13). Siegel won an Emmy Award (Outstanding Achievement for Single Camera Photography) for his episodic narrative work on ABC's Crash The Curiousaurus............http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0797002/bio? ... _ov_bio_sm~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Simon, isn't that something? Look at the commercial connections this guy has to the mainstream establishment. I had no idea there was this kind of competition among so-called researchers.It was so nice of you to credit me for bringing this character to mind. Wonder where he is now. I thought he was a wandering scuba diver with those silly goggles on. Little did I suspect he was a media titan.
Where is Rick Siegel now? According to this article, he apparently fled to Spain... http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Temp/Temp-911MysteriesAndTheFalseOpposition-Henri.htm
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