There's a difference between having honest investigators such as Nick Kollerstrom talk about this subject and having Hitler-loving Nazis do so. However, I can't blame negative public opinion for rejecting such research inasmuch as it wishes to condone itself on the grounds that there's a qualitative difference between murdering millions of innocent people by forced labor, torture, and starvation, and murdering them with gas. To confront the myths that are held and promoted by Zionists by rehabilitating the Third Reich undermines the struggle against the real enemy, which is the Jabotinsky/Stern revisionism that has hijacked the nationalistic impulses of the world's Jews - ironically serving to promote the pro-Nazi (and formerly Hitler-allied) element within Zionism that today rules the State of Israel. The state and professional organizations shouldn't be in the business of stifling scientific research, to be sure. Post a link to any petition to re-instate Nick, and I'll sign it.
But shouldn't the truth count most? The interpretation you offer, which might be true, is nonetheless based on information which might not be true.
Moreover, don't the Germans deserve a fair hearing? They are accused of a unique evil. Lots and lots of governments have put people in camps and worked/underfed them to death, including the US. The difference here is that there is an accusation of a deliberate policu of killing off an entire race. And this accusation is being used politically to extract reparations from Germans, and dispossess the people of Palestine of their land. Given the gravity of both, should we be able to look into the charge?
Why is it, Jim, that you can accept that German bodies were identified as Jewish bodies for propaganda purposes, but you can't accept that Czarist firing squads shooting Red revolutionaries were identified by anti-communists and fascists as Reds shooting Whites for the same? Or that an invasion of 18 national armies to support a civil war against a nascent government of workers' and soldiers' soviets under international food and medical boycott couldn't account for famines that would have starved and killed by disease tens of millions of Russians, and that they had to have been killed by Bolshevik authorities, as documents "uncovered" by the anti-Soviet capitalist-restorationist governments of Boris Yeltsin and on have "verified"?
Good points, atlantabill, but lets not underestimate the horror that was Lenin's Red Terror. Yeltsin and his chief propagandist [Volgo- something, cant remember name] and Western bourgeois distorians like Pipes, Service, Figes et alia indeed spun ridiculous revisionist yarns to aid their capitalist cause, but the Red Terror was initiated as policy by Lenin himself in a proclamation in [ the 3rd, I believe] party congress, and was defended publicly, altho with much more reserve, by both him and Trotsky. Estimates vary wildly [they always do] but Lenin executed/sent into concentration camps/prisons at least tens of thousands of people. This is a matter of Bolshevik records produced long before the restoration.
There are so many sources here, but my favorite book on this subject is by Georgi Maximov. He was an anarchist and a Red Guard. When the Bolsheviks seized power they began to shut down factory committees and soviets in which they didnt have a majority. They said such things were necessary BEFORE the revolution but nowe that the Bolsheviks were in power they were no longer necessary and the Bolsheviks would now organize and run everything. This utter betrayal caused a number of rebellions with workers going out on strikes and seizing controlo of factories etc. Lenin orderred the Red Guard to go in and disarm the workers and any military units which had sided with them. A group of Red Army officers refused to carry out Lenin's orders and defended the workers. Maximov was one of them and he recalls these events and goes on to document the history of the Red Terror in his "The Guillotine At Work." It's a great book, and one doesnt have to be interested necessarily in its topic to enjoy it. It's that good.
I agree that the Red Terror was, in its execution, a ghastly mistake. Bear in mind that the Terror was used at a time when the very life of the Revolution and the lives of all the anti-Czarists was at stake. The anarcho-communist Victor Serge, whose personal account can be read at the Marxist Internet Archive, resigned from the Bolshevik government for a time over its reliance on the Cheka (who organized the Terror) and, after suffering imprisonment and exile at the hands of Stalin and the Bureaucracy, was in political agreement for the remainder of his life with the Left Opposition of Leon Trotsky, though the Oppositionists were led to keep him at arm's length due to some effective machinations by Opposition luminary Mark Zborowski, who later was discovered to be a GPU agent. The biography at Wikipedia seems to be a pretty fair one and reveals some of the real-life choices that were forced on revolutionaries by the Civil War and the foreign invasions, helped enormously by the intrigues of the Russian opposition parties, such as the Socialist Revolutionaries (who made common cause with the Russian Zionists, exemplified by its founder Zhitlowsky, and whose attempted assassination of Lenin eventually killed him). Victor Serge's take on the intrinsic faults within Bolshevism are instructive:
“It is often said that ‘the germ of all Stalinism was in Bolshevism at its beginning’. Well, I have no objection. Only, Bolshevism also contained many other germs, a mass of other germs, and those who lived through the enthusiasm of the first years of the first victorious socialist revolution ought not to forget it. To judge the living man by the death germs which the autopsy reveals in the corpse – and which he may have carried in him since his birth – is that very sensible?” (from the same Marxist Internet Archive biography)
I suppose this isn't the comment page for a Leninist like you and an anarchist like me to argue Bolshevism, so to be brief: Bolshevism didn't save the Russian Revolution, it destroyed it.
My fav quote from the whole Russian Revolution is from the Kadet Miliukov, whose book on the revolution is excellent [altho from a bourgeois stanfdpoint: "The Bolsheviks saved Russia from communism."
The SRs were much closer to orthodox conceptions of socialism than were the Bolsheviks. Even though they were not Marxists per se, I think they were much closer to Marxism than Bolshevism was.
I'm an admirer of Serge's. He wrote some of the most important stuff on the RR. "The First Year of the RR" is brilliant. His 'memoires of a Revolutionary " is absolutely inspirational. And the best work of fiction on the RR by far is easily his book on Stalinism: "The Case of Comrade Tulayev." In fact, I think its the best book of its kind ever written. Few know abt it because Stalin's Russia certainly had no interest in promoting it, and neither did the West. If you haven't read it, plz do. It's a real treat.
Schande, daß Sie diese nazistische Täuschungen verewigen! Shame on you for perpetrating these Nazi deceptions! Watch here for how it's possible to deceive the Red Cross and the press: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=foBhgxHcv9U&feature=player_detailpage#t=2224s
Ah, I get it, Nick! You and Jim can't be anti-Semites by definition since Jews aren't Semites at all ! Ever heard of the Rhine Jews, Nick? There are also the Jewish converts of Southern Europe and Anatolia: as much as 10% of the Roman Empire was Jewish before Christianity was declared the official and only recognized religion. The term 'anti-Semite' (I prefer 'antisemite') has a long history in European languages and refers to Europeans with some Jewish ancestry. It was used for a long time in Europe before any Arabs lived there, so it has an established usage.
It's pointless, however, to ask whether Jewish converts have a right to Palestine, since Jews weren't allowed to live there in any appreciable numbers after their defeat in the Bar Kochba Revolt of 132-36 CE, which was 1,812 years before the founding of the Zionist state. Saying that Jews of any origin had the right to a state encompassing an appreciable part of Palestine because it was their homeland for 9-1/2 centuries (830 BCE - 136 CE) 1,912 years ago would be like saying that the Berbers had a right to an appreciable part of Spain because they ruled most of the Iberian Peninsula for 7 centuries (711-1492 CE) only 521 years ago. On the other hand, the world would probably not tolerate a second reconquista of Spain because European Spain is a fait accompli. The same should hold for the Jewish State of Israel, within its 1948 borders.
A much better solution than balkanizing Palestine would be to promote a single secular state where those of different religions, Jews and non-Jews, could live together - on the model of Syria. Unfortunately, the Nazi Stern Gang that runs the State of Israel, in alliance with Hitler's former ally, the Muslim Brotherhood, has decided that, far from establishing a peaceful secular state to accommodate Jews and Arabs and replace the Jihadist-vs-Jagdkommando battlefield that currently exists, it must help (Nazi-created) NATO and the clerical-fascist Gulf states replace secular Syria with a Jew-hating Wahhabi state in which even non-Wahhabi Muslims, let alone Jews or Christians, will not be tolerated.
"the jew screams in pain as he strikes you".....old polish proverb.
trough educational podcasts like this one, lets hope that non-jews get informed about what the truth is, and that such evil acts perpetrated by the masters of deceit will never happen again, but jews being who they are, lets stay vigilant. They manipulate, lie and kill.
Thank you Jim and Nick for this ray of sunshine!
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109 Locations whence Jews have been Expelled since AD250
YEAR . . . . . .PLACE
250 Carthage 415 Alexandria 554 Diocèse of Clermont (France) 561 Diocèse of Uzès (France) 612 Visigoth Spain 642 Visigoth Empire 855 Italy 876 Sens 1012 Mainz 1182 France 1182 Germany 1276 Upper Bavaria 1290 England 1306 France 1322 France (again) 1348 Switzerland 1349 Hielbronn (Germany) 1349 Saxony 1349 Hungary 1360 Hungary 1370 Belgium 1380 Slovakia 1388 Strasbourg 1394 Germany 1394 France 1420 Lyons 1421 Austria 1424 Fribourg 1424 Zurich 1424 Cologne 1432 Savoy 1438 Mainz 1439 Augsburg 1442 Netherlands 1444 Netherlands 1446 Bavaria 1453 France 1453 Breslau 1454 Wurzburg 1462 Mainz 1483 Mainz 1484 Warsaw 1485 Vincenza (Italy) 1492 Spain 1492 Italy 1495 Lithuania 1496 Naples 1496 Portugal 1498 Nuremberg 1498 Navarre 1510 Brandenberg 1510 Prussia 1514 Strasbourg 1515 Genoa 1519 Regensburg 1533 Naples 1541 Naples 1542 Prague & Bohemia 1550 Genoa 1551 Bavaria 1555 Pesaro 1557 Prague 1559 Austria 1561 Prague 1567 Wurzburg 1569 Papal States 1571 Brandenburg 1582 Netherlands 1582 Hungary 1593 Brandenburg, Austria 1597 Cremona, Pavia & Lodi 1614 Frankfort 1615 Worms 1619 Kiev 1648 Ukraine 1648 Poland 1649 Hamburg 1654 Little Russia (Beylorus) 1656 Lithuania 1669 Oran (North Africa) 1669 Vienna 1670 Vienna 1712 Sandomir 1727 Russia 1738 Wurtemburg 1740 Little Russia (Beylorus) 1744 Prague, Bohemia 1744 Slovakia 1744 Livonia 1745 Moravia 1753 Kovad (Lithuania) 1761 Bordeaux 1772 Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia) 1775 Warsaw 1789 Alsace 1804 Villages in Russia 1808 Villages & Countrysides (Russia) 1815 Lbeck & Bremen 1815 Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria 1820 Bremen 1843 Russian Border Austria & Prussia 1862 Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1] 1866 Galatz, Romania 1880s Russia 1891 Moscow 1919 Bavaria (foreign born Jews) 1938 - 45 Nazi Controlled Areas 1948 Arab Countries
Fetzer and Duff on Harris show, Short End of the Stick. http://www.renseradioarchives.com/harris/
" Date: 04-22-13 Today's guests were Gordon Duff and Dr, Jim Fetzer, the topic was the false flag Boston Bombing and how many of these false flags are connected. We were also Joined by colonel Jim Hanke USArmy retired, former commnander of the JSOC,
Good show, busy with too many guests but people are beginning to notice and take exception to what is happening in the USA"
On that page you can access the actual monthly inmate tables for Auschwitz, as compiled by the Bletchley Park anaylsts from daily message transmissions from the camp itself to their HQ.
Inmate data tables for the other concentration camps exist in the UK archive and will be published in due course, so be sure to check back.
Please feel free to leave your comments at http://whatreallyhappened.info/contact/contactus.html
There's a difference between having honest investigators such as Nick Kollerstrom talk about this subject and having Hitler-loving Nazis do so. However, I can't blame negative public opinion for rejecting such research inasmuch as it wishes to condone itself on the grounds that there's a qualitative difference between murdering millions of innocent people by forced labor, torture, and starvation, and murdering them with gas. To confront the myths that are held and promoted by Zionists by rehabilitating the Third Reich undermines the struggle against the real enemy, which is the Jabotinsky/Stern revisionism that has hijacked the nationalistic impulses of the world's Jews - ironically serving to promote the pro-Nazi (and formerly Hitler-allied) element within Zionism that today rules the State of Israel. The state and professional organizations shouldn't be in the business of stifling scientific research, to be sure. Post a link to any petition to re-instate Nick, and I'll sign it.
ReplyDeleteBut shouldn't the truth count most? The interpretation you offer, which might be true, is nonetheless based on information which might not be true.
DeleteMoreover, don't the Germans deserve a fair hearing? They are accused of a unique evil. Lots and lots of governments have put people in camps and worked/underfed them to death, including the US. The difference here is that there is an accusation of a deliberate policu of killing off an entire race. And this accusation is being used politically to extract reparations from Germans, and dispossess the people of Palestine of their land. Given the gravity of both, should we be able to look into the charge?
Why is it, Jim, that you can accept that German bodies were identified as Jewish bodies for propaganda purposes, but you can't accept that Czarist firing squads shooting Red revolutionaries were identified by anti-communists and fascists as Reds shooting Whites for the same? Or that an invasion of 18 national armies to support a civil war against a nascent government of workers' and soldiers' soviets under international food and medical boycott couldn't account for famines that would have starved and killed by disease tens of millions of Russians, and that they had to have been killed by Bolshevik authorities, as documents "uncovered" by the anti-Soviet capitalist-restorationist governments of Boris Yeltsin and on have "verified"?
ReplyDeleteGood points, atlantabill, but lets not underestimate the horror that was Lenin's Red Terror. Yeltsin and his chief propagandist [Volgo- something, cant remember name] and Western bourgeois distorians like Pipes, Service, Figes et alia indeed spun ridiculous revisionist yarns to aid their capitalist cause, but the Red Terror was initiated as policy by Lenin himself in a proclamation in [ the 3rd, I believe] party congress, and was defended publicly, altho with much more reserve, by both him and Trotsky. Estimates vary wildly [they always do] but Lenin executed/sent into concentration camps/prisons at least tens of thousands of people. This is a matter of Bolshevik records produced long before the restoration.
DeleteThere are so many sources here, but my favorite book on this subject is by Georgi Maximov. He was an anarchist and a Red Guard. When the Bolsheviks seized power they began to shut down factory committees and soviets in which they didnt have a majority. They said such things were necessary BEFORE the revolution but nowe that the Bolsheviks were in power they were no longer necessary and the Bolsheviks would now organize and run everything. This utter betrayal caused a number of rebellions with workers going out on strikes and seizing controlo of factories etc. Lenin orderred the Red Guard to go in and disarm the workers and any military units which had sided with them. A group of Red Army officers refused to carry out Lenin's orders and defended the workers. Maximov was one of them and he recalls these events and goes on to document the history of the Red Terror in his "The Guillotine At Work." It's a great book, and one doesnt have to be interested necessarily in its topic to enjoy it. It's that good.
I agree that the Red Terror was, in its execution, a ghastly mistake. Bear in mind that the Terror was used at a time when the very life of the Revolution and the lives of all the anti-Czarists was at stake. The anarcho-communist Victor Serge, whose personal account can be read at the Marxist Internet Archive, resigned from the Bolshevik government for a time over its reliance on the Cheka (who organized the Terror) and, after suffering imprisonment and exile at the hands of Stalin and the Bureaucracy, was in political agreement for the remainder of his life with the Left Opposition of Leon Trotsky, though the Oppositionists were led to keep him at arm's length due to some effective machinations by Opposition luminary Mark Zborowski, who later was discovered to be a GPU agent. The biography at Wikipedia seems to be a pretty fair one and reveals some of the real-life choices that were forced on revolutionaries by the Civil War and the foreign invasions, helped enormously by the intrigues of the Russian opposition parties, such as the Socialist Revolutionaries (who made common cause with the Russian Zionists, exemplified by its founder Zhitlowsky, and whose attempted assassination of Lenin eventually killed him). Victor Serge's take on the intrinsic faults within Bolshevism are instructive:
Delete“It is often said that ‘the germ of all Stalinism was in Bolshevism at its beginning’. Well, I have no objection. Only, Bolshevism also contained many other germs, a mass of other germs, and those who lived through the enthusiasm of the first years of the first victorious socialist revolution ought not to forget it. To judge the living man by the death germs which the autopsy reveals in the corpse – and which he may have carried in him since his birth – is that very sensible?”
(from the same Marxist Internet Archive biography)
Great points and a great quote.
DeleteI suppose this isn't the comment page for a Leninist like you and an anarchist like me to argue Bolshevism, so to be brief: Bolshevism didn't save the Russian Revolution, it destroyed it.
My fav quote from the whole Russian Revolution is from the Kadet Miliukov, whose book on the revolution is excellent [altho from a bourgeois stanfdpoint: "The Bolsheviks saved Russia from communism."
The SRs were much closer to orthodox conceptions of socialism than were the Bolsheviks. Even though they were not Marxists per se, I think they were much closer to Marxism than Bolshevism was.
I'm an admirer of Serge's. He wrote some of the most important stuff on the RR. "The First Year of the RR" is brilliant. His 'memoires of a Revolutionary " is absolutely inspirational. And the best work of fiction on the RR by far is easily his book on Stalinism: "The Case of Comrade Tulayev." In fact, I think its the best book of its kind ever written. Few know abt it because Stalin's Russia certainly had no interest in promoting it, and neither did the West. If you haven't read it, plz do. It's a real treat.
nice podcast site you can actually submit them here on
ReplyDeleteSubmit podcast
Schande, daß Sie diese nazistische Täuschungen verewigen! Shame on you for perpetrating these Nazi deceptions! Watch here for how it's possible to deceive the Red Cross and the press: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=foBhgxHcv9U&feature=player_detailpage#t=2224s
ReplyDeleteAh, I get it, Nick! You and Jim can't be anti-Semites by definition since Jews aren't Semites at all ! Ever heard of the Rhine Jews, Nick? There are also the Jewish converts of Southern Europe and Anatolia: as much as 10% of the Roman Empire was Jewish before Christianity was declared the official and only recognized religion. The term 'anti-Semite' (I prefer 'antisemite') has a long history in European languages and refers to Europeans with some Jewish ancestry. It was used for a long time in Europe before any Arabs lived there, so it has an established usage.
ReplyDeleteIt's pointless, however, to ask whether Jewish converts have a right to Palestine, since Jews weren't allowed to live there in any appreciable numbers after their defeat in the Bar Kochba Revolt of 132-36 CE, which was 1,812 years before the founding of the Zionist state. Saying that Jews of any origin had the right to a state encompassing an appreciable part of Palestine because it was their homeland for 9-1/2 centuries (830 BCE - 136 CE) 1,912 years ago would be like saying that the Berbers had a right to an appreciable part of Spain because they ruled most of the Iberian Peninsula for 7 centuries (711-1492 CE) only 521 years ago. On the other hand, the world would probably not tolerate a second reconquista of Spain because European Spain is a fait accompli. The same should hold for the Jewish State of Israel, within its 1948 borders.
A much better solution than balkanizing Palestine would be to promote a single secular state where those of different religions, Jews and non-Jews, could live together - on the model of Syria. Unfortunately, the Nazi Stern Gang that runs the State of Israel, in alliance with Hitler's former ally, the Muslim Brotherhood, has decided that, far from establishing a peaceful secular state to accommodate Jews and Arabs and replace the Jihadist-vs-Jagdkommando battlefield that currently exists, it must help (Nazi-created) NATO and the clerical-fascist Gulf states replace secular Syria with a Jew-hating Wahhabi state in which even non-Wahhabi Muslims, let alone Jews or Christians, will not be tolerated.
Uri Gordon, Israeli anarchist: The two-state solution is two too many.
DeleteIf people hate each other, no solution is possible. If people love each other, no solution is required.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe Jim posted this vile racism.
Delete"the jew screams in pain as he strikes you".....old polish proverb.
ReplyDeletetrough educational podcasts like this one, lets hope that non-jews get informed about what the truth is, and that such evil acts perpetrated by the masters of deceit will never happen again, but jews being who they are, lets stay vigilant. They manipulate, lie and kill.
Thank you Jim and Nick for this ray of sunshine!
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109 Locations whence Jews have been Expelled since AD250
YEAR . . . . . .PLACE
250 Carthage
415 Alexandria
554 Diocèse of Clermont (France)
561 Diocèse of Uzès (France)
612 Visigoth Spain
642 Visigoth Empire
855 Italy
876 Sens
1012 Mainz
1182 France
1182 Germany
1276 Upper Bavaria
1290 England
1306 France
1322 France (again)
1348 Switzerland
1349 Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 Saxony
1349 Hungary
1360 Hungary
1370 Belgium
1380 Slovakia
1388 Strasbourg
1394 Germany
1394 France
1420 Lyons
1421 Austria
1424 Fribourg
1424 Zurich
1424 Cologne
1432 Savoy
1438 Mainz
1439 Augsburg
1442 Netherlands
1444 Netherlands
1446 Bavaria
1453 France
1453 Breslau
1454 Wurzburg
1462 Mainz
1483 Mainz
1484 Warsaw
1485 Vincenza (Italy)
1492 Spain
1492 Italy
1495 Lithuania
1496 Naples
1496 Portugal
1498 Nuremberg
1498 Navarre
1510 Brandenberg
1510 Prussia
1514 Strasbourg
1515 Genoa
1519 Regensburg
1533 Naples
1541 Naples
1542 Prague & Bohemia
1550 Genoa
1551 Bavaria
1555 Pesaro
1557 Prague
1559 Austria
1561 Prague
1567 Wurzburg
1569 Papal States
1571 Brandenburg
1582 Netherlands
1582 Hungary
1593 Brandenburg, Austria
1597 Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 Frankfort
1615 Worms
1619 Kiev
1648 Ukraine
1648 Poland
1649 Hamburg
1654 Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 Lithuania
1669 Oran (North Africa)
1669 Vienna
1670 Vienna
1712 Sandomir
1727 Russia
1738 Wurtemburg
1740 Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 Prague, Bohemia
1744 Slovakia
1744 Livonia
1745 Moravia
1753 Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 Bordeaux
1772 Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 Warsaw
1789 Alsace
1804 Villages in Russia
1808 Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 Lbeck & Bremen
1815 Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 Bremen
1843 Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]
1866 Galatz, Romania
1880s Russia
1891 Moscow
1919 Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938 - 45 Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 Arab Countries
http://www.sunray22b.net/expulsions.htm
For info on the English Jews from the Norman Conquest to expulsion, read "The King's Jews."
Deleteon a different not but not out of tune..
ReplyDeleteFetzer and Duff on Harris show, Short End of the Stick. http://www.renseradioarchives.com/harris/
" Date: 04-22-13
Today's guests were Gordon Duff and Dr, Jim Fetzer, the topic was the false flag Boston Bombing and how many of these false flags are connected. We were also Joined by colonel Jim Hanke USArmy retired, former commnander of the JSOC,
Good show, busy with too many guests but people are beginning to notice and take exception to what is happening in the USA"
Mentioned at the end of this show...but what is the link to the audio files for the Vancouver Hearings of June 2012?
ReplyDeleteNK goes into the logistics of killing 6 million etc.
ReplyDeleteCarlo Mattogno did just that in some depth and wrote abt it in his book "Why the Holocaust is Impossible."
Thank you Jim Fetzer and Dr Nick Kollerstrom
ReplyDeleteThe Bletchley Park decrypts of the German radio messages concerning the concentration camps to which Nick Kollerstrom refers are here:
http://whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/ww2decrypts.html
On that page you can access the actual monthly inmate tables for Auschwitz, as compiled by the Bletchley Park anaylsts from daily message transmissions from the camp itself to their HQ.
Inmate data tables for the other concentration camps exist in the UK archive and will be published in due course, so be sure to check back.
Please feel free to leave your comments at http://whatreallyhappened.info/contact/contactus.html
Regards
HORHUG