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As Allan stated - Jones is valuable because he brings issues and info to a large audience. But, he is controlled. On Ed Chiarini's site, there are photos of Alex at various events with members of the Zionazi Greenberg Clan - the group responsible in whole or part - for the Giffords, Sandy Hoax, and Boston Bonging events. That explains his manipulated take on those events. As Alex says, check his stories for accuracy. I find him to be entertaining and more honest than any mainstreamer.
ReplyDeleteEd has also identified James Corbett - another good source with links to the Zionazi Clan.
Judy Wood relies heavily on the Hutchison effect for proof of her theory. No one has been able to duplicate this effect - which is now considered to be a hoax. Does that mean Judy is wrong? No, but it does not help. Her presentation of her ideas adds to the level of skepticism. I'll try to be open minded to her ideas, but I need a more technically savvy researcher to explain her theories.
Judy Wood, Pete Santilli and Ed Chairini work for the government. Jones is absolutely doing the right thing NOT to go after jews as a race of people.
DeleteTherer is only one media, to suggest "alternative" is a joke. The intenet has spread more lies than all newspapers and radio and television stations combined did before the internet age.
ReplyDeleteLots of so-called altenative media persons keep telling us to do our own research! But where? On the interntet of course.
Be skeptical of everything except what your own guts tell you. Your brains and your heart will lead you astray, only your guts can never lie to you.
OK, let's set some key issues straight, newbie C-sceptic:
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, Jones is an extremely successful "conspiracy entrepreneur," kind of like a top-rank televangelist who may have been a true believer at the start -- but who long ago was co-opted by the Dark Side (Satan, Langley or the Mossad, take your pick...) and subsequently became filthy rich while spewing a distorted Gospel of intriguing half-truths and dangerous disinformation. Helpful to some, no doubt, but woefully misleading to others.
As for the despicable Chiarini, and likely a key to explaining his ridiculous, intentionally self-discrediting assertions of impossible celebrity dual-identitites, he tracks back (as an erstwhile personal assistant) to the far more subtle disinformation campaigns of veteran JFK "researcher" Robert Groden, who still slavishly follows orders from his controllers to swear that the Zap-film is a reliable photographic record of the Dealy Follies, despite the massive evidence of tampering uncovered by Fetzer and Company.
On the other hand, Corbett is a strange bird indeed, what with his intellectual brilliance at dissecting media hype/scam being bounded by his obvious inner terror at ever "crossing the line" and confronting, head-on, the true Hebraic/occult nature of the beast that he loves to bait -- but always at a safe distance.
In some respects Corbett is like Tarpley, simply dazzling in his encyclopaedic knowledge of so many arcane aspects of the Conspiracy, but ever mindful of the "invisible leash" that safely keeps him from fatally straying into David Duke, Fritz Springmeier, William Cooper or Texe Marrs territory.
And to make this wheat-from-the-chaff, truth-sorting challenge even more daunting, both Corbett and Tarpley eagerly make use of the guest slots Jones frequently offers them,. Surely they must be quietly gagging (or giggling) at times when their uber-crass host switches into fire-breathing rant mode, but such is the price they willingly pay to dangle their latest (and valuable) discoveries in front of a far wider (and more credulous) audience than their own web venues can reach.
The Wood entity, on the other hand, smacks of the same, damaged-mind delerium that seems to have begotten such fringe-media "divas" as Brice Taylor and her legion of Project Monarch wannabees and/or victims. The curious differentiating factor in the Wood case is that her disinfo-selling point is "science" instead of sex. MK-Ultra (in its real, not phantasised function) is probably the common bond, and like the unctuous Groden character, Wood is loathe to consider (at least publicly) how extensive the psyop boys' photo fakery might truly be.
But then, that's dear Dr. Fetzer's blind spot too, at least when it comes to the vicsims and videos of 9/11.
awesome post! also love allan and dennis shows!
DeleteI think Alex Jones and Ed Chairini are probably a lot more right than wrong but my take is the Black Nobility doesn't really care what you people think. For example do you see any of the front men for 911, or the banking crisis, or the JFK assassination or Sandy Hook, or Drug dealing, child sex slavery, war crimes,vaccines, chemtrails, flouride, CFR, Rand Corp, Military
DeleteContractors go to jail for anything in the last 40 years? When they own the media ,the justice department and the congress why would they care what a bunch of old veterans also screwed royally by them, think. All this wringing of hands trying to decide who is a shill or who can we believe is really at this point an exercise in futility. This is why the Mossad openly dances as the towers come crashing down. Does Obama or Holder or Hillary Clinton, or Bush look worried to you?
Andy, I think you're right to put James Corbett (and Webster Tarpley) in a different category from Alex Jones. I'd like to have heard the rest of the call-in from Corbett (in a clip Allan Weisbecker played in the early minutes of the Real Deal interview) and hear what he thinks of G Edward Griffin. I'd locate Corbett and his mentor, Michel Chossudovsky, politically within the socialist left, perhaps even within the Marxist left, so I'd have been interested in what he thought about Griffin and Griffin's The Creature from Jekyll Island, the first half of which I regard highly but the second half I regard as a vicious slander against Marx and the Marxist movement, of the sort I'd expect from an admirer of Hitler or a Ku Klux Klan Nazi such as David Duke, who has been known to associate closely with German Nazis and neo-Nazis. Corbett's "9/11 - The Truth In 5 Minutes" is brilliant and informative, but he has never gotten very deeply into the science behind 9/11. Like Tarpley, he spends his time on the politics.
DeleteAt a time when I was following Alex Jones regularly, he had (anti-Zionist researcher) Ralph Schoenman on as a guest. As soon as Ralph was off the phone and wasn't there to defend himself, Alex slandered him viciously on the air. Alex Jones is a cowardly little bully who slanders his betters.
Incidentally, Allan Weisbecker said (beginning at minute 49:00 of the interview) that "O'Neill and his girl friend stayed in a little town in southern Spain--I'm looking for the name of it--in Catalonia...". This is an innocent mistake, but a big one: Catalonia is in the northeastern corner of Spain. It also shows that Allan has never taken any interest in the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939--a critical event in the 20th century that Eric Blair (George Orwell) participated in and wrote about in his book Homage to Catalonia, his title indicating his recognition of the crucial role played by Catalonia in the Spanish struggle against 1930s fascism. This mistake, which Allan made twice, didn't distract, however, from the facts Allan was giving us; but it does show that even an honest and careful researcher can make an innocent mistake. Even a big one.
Relating to Wood and her cult, Henrik Palmgren, host of Red Ice Radio, recently devoted a full program to answer a slander against him and RIR that appeared on the website of Wood's knight-protector, Andrew Johnson, who called Palmgren and his researchers a "disinformation-promotion brigade" (according to Henrik) and who claimed that they shield "disinformationists" such as, among others, Kevin Barrett (according to Johnson). The first hour of the program is available here on YouTube(c). In the program on Andrew Johnson, Henrik goes extensively into his hosting policy.
I consider Red Ice Radio a valuable resource. As a good example, Henrik did a four-part series not long ago with Ole Dammegård, author of Coup d'etat in Slow Motion, a book about the Olof Palme assassination that shows remarkable parallels with the JFK assassination. I'd also recommend his interview with Joseph Atwill about his groundbreaking work Caesar's Messiah.
By the way, Andy, I enjoyed your long, two-part comment below, showing your rich command of the known facts and other facts that often go overlooked. It was a terrific summary!
Excellent interview!
ReplyDeleteI would have liked to hear Allan's views on Mike Adams (Health Ranger), Bob Tuskin, Henrik Palmgren (Red Ice Radio), Richard Gage,
Steven Jones, & Niel Harrit.
They all smell fishy to me.
It was interesting to learn about James Corbett. Allan made some very good points.
I gave up on Alex Jones a couple years ago. It seems to me that Mike Adams is following the same steps as Alex Jones.
Thanks for you work Dr. Fetzer!
Gary
thanks, gary. re harrit, here's an email i sent to jim recently:
ReplyDeletejim,
on my show we talked about the levels of honesty, etc. how mostly everyone is on level 3, which means untruths (or lies) by omission (at the very least) are perpetrated by 'truth people' (whether they know it or not). It's either dishonesty or delusion....
I used to have great respect for Neils Harrit -- his 'if you're a decent person you don't turn back' (from truth), etc.
here he is confronted by Judy Wood's theory and he shows his delusion/dishonesty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx0Vht2tNi0
Notice how at first he pretends that he doesn't even know who Judy Wood is. then he says "no one knows what Judy Wood is talking about.' So his pretense that he never heard of her was a lie. Face it, a Lie.
Then he says 'Energy is not a thing. Energy is what we use in calculations.' This may not be a lie, but let's face it, in context, it's bullshit. (I wish the interviewer had asked him 'how much energy' he 'calculates' was needed to turn the towers into dust. and how many tons of thermite that would be. and since the answer would be tens of thousands of tons, what would his theory be as to how it got there... etc...)
Harrit's unease reminds me of Judy's unease when you confronted her on her 'theory' and she had no answer. His unease was due to how close he was to being busted on a ridiculous theory (thermite).
Anyway, Harrit is off my list of people to really trust.
allan
i put steven jones in the same category as kevin ryan and harrit. i sorta like mike adams but i know what you mean. i respect gage for what he has done to wake people up but he's in the same lie by omission area as the rest.
keep the faith, my friend.
if james douglass tosses the holohoax out as examples of darkness, he is st salt peter gatekeeping the clouds to fictional dieties
DeleteI followed the link and you lie.
DeleteHarrit never pretended to no know who Judy Wood is. Whats up with that?
you're not listening carefully. btw, no need to accuse me of lying. maybe i'm mistaken, maybe you are. does not mean one of us is lying. i would have no motive to lie here, would i?
Deleteno mistake and I really dont know why you lie.
DeleteWow. I don't think Allan is the one telling a lie.
Delete00:15 NH - "What do you mean directed energy weapon?"
00:58 HP - "It would basically answer some of the questions you had earlier ... She has some potentials answers for that."
1:09 NH - "No she doesn't. Nobody knows what Judy Wood is talking about."
Judy Wood is as obvious an cointel operative as you would expect from Obamas incompetent administration, together with Pete Santilli, Ed Charini, et al. Judy Wood has notheory, sha has a book with "evidence" put together by some intelligence operation, she doesent even know herself what is in the book. And she has no theory whatsoever. Every force is directed energy, even an airplaine. Mr Weisbecker goes on at great length proving Harrit is a liar because Haritt pretends not to know who Judy Wood is in an interview. I look at it "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx0Vht2tNi0
DeleteNotice how at first he pretends that he doesn't even know who Judy Wood is. then he says "no one knows what Judy Wood is talking about.' So his pretense that he never heard of her was a lie. Face it, a Lie."
and Harrit never makes a claim not to know who Judy Wood is. I am simply holding this Weisbecckerdude to his own (lying) standards. Defend yourself Weisbecker.
"I am simply holding this Weisbecckerdude to his own (lying) standards."
Delete"Every force is directed energy"
Every forces is not weapon. You are doing an ad hominem attack on Allan.
I agree with Allan. Harrit is begging the question.
I dont get it, where is Harrit saying he does not know who judy Wood is? It is Harrits "claim" he does not know who Judy Wood is that Weisbecker says makes Harrit a liar. Where does Harrit say that? I cant hear it?
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx0Vht2tNi0
Speaking of suspect "truth media". Rense just gave a show to "he who must not be named, Pete Sanfrilli. I wonder what malevolence lurks behind the curtain there?
ReplyDeleteI'm sure I wasn't the only listener to this highly engaging episode who kept waiting for Allan weisbecker to at least MENTION (positively OR negatively) the fake-victims and hollow-towers truthers.
ReplyDeleteBut he said absolutely NOTHING.
Yet he had the timerity to fault James Douglas for failing to mention either the fraudulent narrative of 9/11 or the airborne assassination of JFK Jr.
To quote Mr. Weisbecker's own anguished words (but this time regarding himself...) "There's something wrong here!!!"
although i'm not all that sure of what you're talking about, i only had 2 hours and a lot of stuff i wanted to cover that i didn't. altho, again, i dunno exactly what you're talking about with the hollow towers, anyway. yeah, there were probably fake victims, but hey, gimme a break.
ReplyDeleteOK, Mr. Weisbecker, I'll grant you the "benefit of the doubt". Perhaps all your years of exhaustive 9/11 Truth research have nevertheless left you blissfully unaware of the HUGE body of compelling research done by posters on the (sadly, still feuding...) Internet forums known as and .
ReplyDeleteUnder the leadership of their respective founders, Simon Shack and Phil Jayhan, these (unfortunately enmeshed in bitter rivalry) treasure troves of alternate-history discovery have, collectively, amassed some very persuasive evidence that what the public saw and heard, via the corporate media on 9/11, was actually a high-tech, yet imperfectly rehearsed and prepped, TERROR DRILL, simulated for mass consumption via Hollywood-quality CGI, latest-generation Photoshop and a troupe of role-playing "crisis actors".
Yes, the heavily insured, aesbestos-filled towers were indeed destroyed that day, to the mad delight and eventual profit of a mostly ethnically homogeneous cabal of wicked financial mavens and bloodthirsty warmongers, many of whose names we know all too well. But the demolitions were not done by crazed airborne Muslims, and not in the bizarrely top-down, wildly explosive, sci-fi manner depicted in the fraudulent-but-mesmerizing, airplane-crashing/towers-collapsing videos the major networks were obligated to run (in place of genuine live coverage) while the conventional demolitions took place (under a massive smoke screen) in a mostly evacuated Lower Manhattan.
Whatever the true death count was, after the smoke cleared and the incriminating (mostly furniture-and-fixture-free) rubble pile was hurriedly hauled out of sight, it now appears to have been grossly exaggerated even to reach the final figure of just under three thousand. Social Security numbers, verifiable birth and death certificates, authentic school and marriage records, property-tax assessments, real-estate deeds and mortgage/transfer documents for a distressingly large portion of the names on the 9/11 Victim List, both from the "planes" and from the towers, simply do not exist, and comparably suspicious is the astoundingly even distribution of NYFD "losses" from engine companies and fire stations all across NYC -- rather than being concentrated within those few close-knit entourages who supposedly arrived earliest and were either inside or immediately adjacent to the towers when they exploded. (continued)
(continuing) The "Let's Roll" researchers have done their best work compiling evidence demonstrating that by the end of the 1990s the WTC towers were mostly vacant shells, populated by "ghost workers" for a handful of giant financial/brokerage firms whose actual business was high-frequency traded from remote locations. Observation-deck tourism, "Windows on the World" restaurant trade, and TV-tower transmission functions did go on at the very top floors, while the commuter-train and retail-shop traffic at ground levels added to the illusion that the WTC was still a densely populated "city within a city".
DeleteThe "Clues Forum" investigators' work, while it does overlap with that of the aforementioned forum, is at its strongest point where it exposes the blatant use of face-morphing software, cut-and-paste image recycling, and algorhthmical name generation -- in the construction of a mostly bogus, CNN-maintained "9/11 Memorial" website that has also been mirrored elsewhere and now has a stately, hard-copy home at the site of Manhattan's new 9/11 Shrine. Another major investigative accomplishment of the Clues sleuths is their brilliant deconstruction of the intricate photo and video fakery that successfully implanted, in the hearts and minds of a psyop-shocked public, a massively falsified vision of "hijacked planes" (whose flight data is thoroughly contradicted by the venerable BTS database plus Newtonian physics) and "structural collapses" (impossibly instigated by kerosene fires) that would swiftly "justify" a ghastly acceleration in the (already underway) transformation of the USA into a warmongering, surveillance-besotted, modern version of Nazi Germany.
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DeleteI really have no issues with anything here that Andy has said except that he described the differences between myself or my forum, Lets Roll Forums, and that of Simon Shack and his Clues forum as a “rivalry”. It is this that I have issue with. It is by no means a “rivalry” and never was. Rivalry according to definition is the following; [the action, position, or relation of a rival or rivals; competition: rivalry between Yale and Harvard.]
DeleteMyself and others at my forum held out an olive branch to Simon Shack and his entire forum, while Simon Shack antagonistically and intentionally mischaracterized our work and demonized not only myself but the entire forum. Simon Shack in one of his postings at Lets Roll Forums, even made the claim that our entire forum is “government agents”, a ridiculous and disingenuous claim at best.
After nearly 1 - 1 ½ years of holding out this olive branch to Simon Shack and his forum, it became clear to me that there was something else motivating Simon Shack then a pursuit of the simple truth. Upon discovery of the fact that Simon Shacks brother was a business associate of the Bin Ladin Family, I finally concluded in my own mind that that was as obvious as possibly could be, and an explanation which satisfied all of my doubts and curiosities about Simon Shacks odd and illogical behavior. You can see here that Simons brother Mario is or was a race car driver and also a recipient of a large enough amount of free money in the form of sponsorship to have the Bin Ladin name plastered all over his race car, making him one person removed from associations to the Bin Ladin family.
http://letsrollforums.com/simon-shacks-brother-mario-t28060.html
So to describe the friction between myself and Simon Hytten (Simon Shacks real name) as a rivalry gives the impression there was some sort of competition or that we were somehow engaged in a fight for 'top spot' in the Temple of Truth. Nothing could be further from the truth. Simon Shack very aggressively attacked both myself and our entire forum, relentlessly, since the beginning of the bulk of our discoveries that the entire drama of 9/11 was nothing more then an elaborate hoax, including the construction of the towers themselves.
Myself and most others at my forum believe the towers were built mostly hollow and empty from day one, having perhaps only 20-30 floors each, mostly on the bottom, and that even these floors were eventually removed after the 1993 bombing to prepare the Hollow Towers for the purpose of their construction, a never ending final series of wars in the Middle East and world for total control of resources and to neutralize opposition to the Bankers control of this earths global resources.
http://letsrollforums.com/world-trade-center-hollow-t21572.html
Truth never stays suppressed forever. It eventually always and inevitably rises to its rightful position and I believe that eventually, most people will see the Twin Towers for what they were on 9/11. Hollow, empty, completely gutted with not a single soul inside. 9/11 was one of the most elaborate hoaxes in the history of our world with the Twin Towers being the largest stage or set ever constructed.
Sincerely,
Phil Jayhan
Admin & Owner of Lets Roll Forums
http://letsrollforums.com
(continuing) The "Let's Roll" researchers have done their best work compiling evidence demonstrating that by the end of the 1990s the WTC towers were mostly vacant shells, populated by "ghost workers" for a handful of giant financial/brokerage firms whose actual business was high-frequency traded from remote locations. Observation-deck tourism, "Windows on the World" restaurant trade, and TV-tower transmission functions did go on at the very top floors, while the commuter-train and retail-shop traffic at ground levels added to the illusion that the WTC was still a densely populated "city within a city".
ReplyDeleteThe "Clues Forum" investigators' work, while it does overlap with that of the aforementioned forum, is at its strongest point where it exposes the blatant use of face-morphing software, cut-and-paste image recycling, and algorhthmical name generation -- in the construction of a mostly bogus, CNN-maintained "9/11 Memorial" website that has also been mirrored elsewhere and now has a stately, hard-copy home at the site of Manhattan's new 9/11 Shrine.
Another major investigative accomplishment of the Clues sleuths is their brilliant deconstruction of the intricate photo and video fakery that successfully implanted, in the hearts and minds of a psyop-shocked public, a massively falsified vision of "hijacked planes" (whose flight data is thoroughly contradicted by the venerable BTS database plus Newtonian physics) and "structural collapses" (impossibly instigated by kerosene fires) that would swiftly "justify" a ghastly acceleration in the (already underway) transformation of the USA into a warmongering, surveillance-besotted, modern version of Nazi Germany.
Andy, I agree with essentially everything in this post. However one item stands out. It is the rapid removal, that would have been required, of the huge amount of debris that would have remained with conventional demolition of the two towers. It seems hardly doable in a few days. What about some type of non-conventional demolition but still within the general scenario you describe above?
ReplyDeletePossible, Constructor, very possible, but not essential to the plot, IMHO. Yes, I do remember the gigantic "army of dump trucks" that Mayor Rudy reportedly commandeered literally overnight, followed by his hurried next-morning news conference to "explain" why the rubble pile was so small. But much of the nuke or DEW-suggesting photo/video "evidence" continues to be of highly suspect provenance, too, along with the wildly conflicting news accounts of long-lasting fires and ground-zero heat, albeit with on-site workers being pictured (or Photoshopped) as if immune to the temperature and flames.
ReplyDeleteAndy summed up 9/11 brilliantly. The lack of debris is easily accounted for with the hollowed out towers theory. They had almost a decade to slowly empty out the WTC. Perhaps only a fraction of floors EVER existed. I'm always amazed how serious "researchers" don't reach the conclusions that Andy (and myself) have reached in a few weeks. Logically there's no where else to go.
ReplyDeleteOn a lighter note, check out 'It's Not About the Nail' here
ReplyDeletehttp://vimeo.com/jheadley
The subtext re back and forth debates cracks me up...
By the way, the subject matter of my interview was 'The alternative media' -- which is one reason why i didn't cover every other subject under the sun. I did work in a reference to 'fake plane crashes' (if you were listening). Here's a bit more on that subject (which actually is about media complicity):
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty6YsS1oUpM
So, to clarify, does the hollowed-out towers theory state that somehow the concrete floors and even some steel structural components were removed prior to the demolition. Because, regardless of how much office furniture, etc. would have been in the towers under normal use, it seems the bulk of the debris following conventional demolition would still have been concrete and steel. Is removing these structural components prior to collapse possible if they are needed to support the building? Or does the theory state something else. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteWell, if you search for the research threads, Constructor, you'll find there is both circumstantial evidence and eyewitness recollection which suggest that even before the extensive out-migration of genuine tenants that followed the '93 bombing the towers had many floors that were locked off and empty -- possibly never even finished at the time of construction.
DeleteGentlemen,
ReplyDeleteI’m reading with an open and intrigued mind. But how does one then account for the increase in mesothelioma, exotic cancers and all the other illnesses of the first responders? Are they actors as well? While looking into Sandy Hook and Boston one cannot help but conclude there is acting dupery being played upon us, the idea that the demolitions we were shown were on TV ONLY tends toward the implausible, IMHO. Wouldn’t that also mean there was no molten steel, which means those aerial heat patterns we’ve seen and the reports of melting boots are also false; leading to no need for dump trucks full of dirt and millions of gallons of water on the pile, bones atop adjacent buildings, all the different camera angles (and audio) of the demolitions (many more I think than we have of “planes” hitting – I can see how THOSE images could be controlled).
It seems one would have to systematically discard chunk after chunk of evidence, ultimately leading to complete solipsism.
This is a disabling point of view, no different from the unaware people that I try to “wake up” who concede that, while there is indeed something “fishy” about 9/11, “Well (shrug), even if it IS true, what can ya do about it?” Then they go right back to their harried lives. That I believe is the aim of disinfo. Like Dr. Fetzer often quotes – everything is believable and nothing is knowable.
Because of the intel agencies' long-established ability to plant disinfo (part truth, part fiction) stories in the mainstream media, it behooves serious 9/11 researchers to cast a jaundiced eye not only on the immediate news coverage of that staged event/psyop, but also on the long stream of follow-up coverage -- to try, painstakingly, to sift wheat from the chaff.
ReplyDeleteJust precisely WHAT went on and WHAT was found in the rubble, during the protracted period of "ground-zero reclamation" is also very difficult to decipher, amidst the intentionally injected miasma of 'shopped images, contradictory reporting, and impossible memoirs (Willie R. being a particularly egregious example).
I agree with that Andy. So until I personally know one of the firemen dying from cancer at an abnormally young age, I will look with a jaundiced eye; but blowing those towers away with overkill and not much regard for the collateral damage of a few who are paid to go away and die in relative obscurity from poisons and/or radiation they were subjected to seems a more plausible scenario to me than hollowed-out towers, secretly-evacuated lower Manhattan and actors. I remember the screams of fear and disbelief as the towers came down and they certainly felt authentic to my core. Even Dan Rather's comments on Building 7, where you can tell he's at a loss for words, indicate genuine surprise, to me.
DeleteNot to distract from this serious discussion but I can't help but request your feedback on this sobering 30 second clip of a survivor. Truly shocking ;)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udS-OcNtSWo
not impressed with substance or presentation. It's the lack of accounting, I suppose. If your a fan of the list of indigent 3rd tier researchers and investigators then your boy or girl took a hit from the thruther guy. So muddled was the presentments on each that I said to mysyelf 'get serious'.
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