Excellent information presented by Dr. Fetzer. It could be a valuable foundation for bringing in "mainstream" people into the truth movement. And the part about Sandy Hook is free from anti-Zionist speculations (maybe the part about the Boston bombing too). That's good. If Fetzer can keep the false flag facts free from speculation then that makes the cases stronger.
Unfortunately, the forum blog here immediately delved into anti-Zionist talk. Some people seem to think that that issue must be raised everywhere and at all times, as if that is being responsible and patriotic, but it harms other issues enough already in the general world, even the world of conspiracy awareness, to bring it up.Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing, when considered as false flags, would more clearly have been done for agendas which were mostly or totally other agendas than pure Zionism. Not that intel agencies and people's affiliations do not overlap, but some events are done for other interests.A time and place for everything is important: there are other threads where Zionism or Israel-intel false flags are under discussion or more closely linked to the topic.
But Anders: calling for no "speculation" is to miss what reasoning is and does. All reasoning is, technically speaking, speculation.Some facts seem to marshal themselves, as it were, into conclusions, but one must be overt about what one is drawing as a conclusion. People mentioning 9/11 with Israel make mistakes more often in omitting strong emphasis on internal USA creeps and Saudis and UK elements.*Plus* the fact that any implication or mention of Israel as basically more than a victim in the world already sounds like bigger bigotry than one might intend, means that one must be very careful to mention all likely perp elements.But it is not okay to "not speculate" in the strong and reasoned sense, that is, we should not *not draw conclusions*. Jim has every right to mention conclusions.Sandy Hook and Boston would have certain conclusions we should say for them, too -- though not linked or directly closely linked with Israel's motives, unless they helped out a bit, to keep the US insiders happy and to push for US population dumb-down, along with their own; insider malefactors have this sort of propaganda bent ... everywhere.
Anders, couldn't agree more ... I have listened to hundreds of JFs shows, this might be his best bc he didn't drone on and stayed on PT so that any newbie would have to go, "HMMMM" if he listened to it all .... great job, DR F., stick to things you know ... your sports one was perfect example how to lose your audience when one knows the subject much better than you and guest.
You may mention where we can find the video of this presentation but can you give us a link?Thanks!😀
"The Real Deal special MUST SEE Sandy Hook Update"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMkMtjukCQ"The Real Deal special MUST SEE Boston Bombing Update"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMxhdiBrqTM
Well stated Anders Lindman. We had him speak up here in Portland, OR. and he did such a good job for 2 hours and then ZINGO, blamed everything on the Joos. Yikes; embarrassing. Just the facts as Joe Friday would say.
I hope Jim notices your comment.Nevertheless, Arthur, he can mention Jewish Israel intel as strongly implicated in many world events and some will think he blames "the Jews" in general (they will associate that idea).I hope Jim realizes he must always mention all groups and include Israel when necessary. I find it troubling that he does not emphasize the Saudi and UK interests which contributed to 9/11, by all reasoning: embeddedness of such interests is what is important, not merely correcting people that Israeli black-ops and abetters are implicated for some of it, with others.
Thus, it is NOT good to merely state facts. Facts are marshaled toward a conclusion, even when they are seemingly obviously marshaling themselves into conclusions.
I not only notice the comment, I don't believe it. Let me have a link to the presentation where I over do the role of Israel in 9/11. Frankly, I seldom use the word "Jews" because it wasn't "the Jews", it was the Zionists who run the government of Israel. So I challenge Arthur to substantiate his claim. Israel WAS complicity in 9/11: see "Israel did 9/11--all the proof in the world", "9/11 and Zion: What was Israel's role", discussions by Alan Sabrosky and by Chrisopher Bollyn, among others. This is a false charge against me--unless I am not supposed to explain who was responsible for 9/11 and why.
Talking about 9/11 and all-since that event (if not sooner)and not mentioning the 'Joos' is like mentioning spaghetti and not mentioning the Italians.
stevie.t:The religion as an ordinary person's spirituality is now partly linked to a specific country, its intel groups and ambitions, and certain power networks and all of this, through fear and outright propaganda efforts (which exist in every network) are particularly unmentionable in the case of Israel.Yes, it is all very unfortunate and damaging to world politics, but this is not the only problem or area or group, either.So it important not to over-emphasize, in trying to correct the omission: one must be careful not to literally sound as if one has swung the other way into bigotry (generalities), since any statement will already sound to many as though one has.
It does not look like Spielberg to me. Here's a link on that topic: https://archive.org/details/SpielbergInBostonMarathonBombing
Claire are you a Jew? I am guessing yes ... every time they get nailed is a +++ ... big kudos to JF for having the sack to name the culprits ... what do you suggest, just say what happened and not name the obvious perps?
As I told you on the other thread, no, I'm not Jewish.There are not only Jewish types who arrange false flags; nor of course are all others affiliated directly with Zionist fanatics (one could be talking also of any other group when it is helped by another). Nor if they are working with others, are they all working together merely for one side (Zionism, you would say). You make it sound as if you don't get complexity.Events are not done completely by any group, nor is only one ascendent overall, any more than one "country" is, for any length of time. They are all discussable as participants and victims and idealists and bigots and whatever else, in different ways. It depends on what one is discussing, which parts of the group and so on. You must qualify your comments more, it seems to me, so as to show reasonableness.There are many things in the world; radical Zionism is a major problem, but that and other -isms are dangerous because they are all into multiple economic and social controls: they are all oligarchic.Andy (below, March 14) is right about occultic and different religious and socially debased elements, too.
Clare is right, IMHO. Knee-jerkedly blaming every large-scale, evil occurrence on the world stage ONLY on "the usual suspects" quickly becomes counter productive -- in the agonising search to uncover true history.We need to consider the fact that 9/11 was such a gigantic benefit to so many and varied Jewish factions (and the crafty/wealthy billionaires who direct them) that it has virtually blinded many serious, honest conspiracy researchers to the instigating role and long-term goals of ADDITIONAL, even more shadowy cabals, such as those occultic, goyim malefactors who helped engineer (via the U.N.) the establishment of the modern, criminal state of Israel... NOT out of religious devotion to Theodore Herzl's mad dream, but to craft from the (stolen) desert sands a complex political TOOL with which to neuter the pan-Arab dream of the Nasserites, shelter vast networks of drug-running/money-laundering, and ultimately engineer the apocalyptic fulfillment of Albert Pike's tripartite war prophecy.
My concern is that no one seems to be getting behind the Robbie Parker Fund for Crisis Actors. The RPFCA is devoted to helping important events promoted by personalities in Washington and above to be as credible as the very trustworthiness of CNN itself.