Monday, January 5, 2015

John Friend

We also discuss the political dimensions of this event, where the ADL is already attacking anyone who suggests that this was Mossad fakery as "anti-Semitic". So they have a perfect plan: no matter how blatant Mossad involvement may me. anyone who remarks that it bears the signs of having been done by the Mossad is attacked as "anti-Semitic". During the second hour, Larry Rivera and Gary King go further with Larry's studies of the audio interviews with the JFK escort officers and provides more proof of the limosine stop, that Officer Hargis dismounted and ran between the two vehicles, and that five Secret Service dismounted from the SS Cadillac and surrounded the JFK limo, impossible that they not come to a halt.

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  2. Thank you, John Friend, for skillfully articulating the problem we have had for many years which is how to voice our skepticism about the Holocaust without being shouted down and called names.

    The problem most of us have is the ability to state our case clearly when arguing and debating. Complete knowledge of the facts is key.

    I agree with you that Ernst Zundel should be heard. I don't know his work but if you see who is against it, you see the usual suspects. It' quite ludicrous when you have support in Paris "for free speech" which depicts all three deities, Christ, Mohammed and Moses, in pornographic poses. Isn't some speech illegal such as pornography, copyright infringement and libel?

    Here's what google show for Zundel:

    Ernst Zundel: Holocaust Denier, Neo-Nazi Propagandist archive.adl.org/holocaust/zundel.html Ernst Zundel has been a leading Holocaust denier, neo-nazi propagandist and white supremacist ideologue for more than two decades.Ernst Zundel | Southern Poverty Law Center www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/.../ernst-zundel‎ German-born Ernst Zundel came to prominence in the world of Holocaust denial,
    or what he prefers to call historical "revisionism," in the 1980s, when his ...German Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel - The Nizkor Included are news clippings, examples of Zundel's support for censorship (when
    it suits ...

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    1. Ernst Zundel's lawyers were told that 'truth was no defense.' Can you believe that Jewish crap? Even his lawyer (one of) went to jail!! Absolute blight on civilization these Jews.

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    2. FRIDAY, AUGUST 3, 2012

      Ernst Zundel
      Persecuted & imprisoned for research on WWII
      POSTED BY TOTAL AT 9:47 PM 49 COMMENTS:

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    3. Ernst Zundel: Holocaust Denier, Neo-Nazi Propagandist archive.adl.org/holocaust/zundel.html Ernst Zundel has been a leading Holocaust denier, neo-nazi propagandist and white supremacist ideologue for more than two decades.Ernst Zundel | Southern Poverty Law Center www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/.../<---SPLC lack of intelligence report.

      Get a load of these nasty, venomous, modern-day Bolsheviks and how they unjustly smear the name of a very good, likeable and honest man, something these Jews, homosexuals and deranged white liberals at the Semitic Propaganda & Lie Center in a million generations could never be.

      FYI, SPLC scum, it's Ernst's right (as well as anyone else's) to deny anything they want to "deny", especially when there is no credible evidence to support the mountain of lies, fabrications, tortured "confessions" of ex-camp commandants and false testimony from so-called "survivors" that comprise the foundation of the fake Jewish holocaust legend.

      Bottom line: the SPLC and the rest of the tribe at the ADL, Simon Weasel Center, etc. are LIARS. Vicious, scurriflous LIARS. Ernst Zundel and so-called "neo-Nazis" and "white supremacists" speak the God-honest truth (so-called "hate"). PERIOD.

      Now, for an honest review of the man:

      Ernst Zundel (born April 24, 1939) is a German-born publisher, author and civil rights activist. He is a towering figure in the worldwide Holocaust revisionist movement and a free speech martyr. For more than seven years he was imprisoned, first in Canada and then in Germany, solely for the peaceful expression of non-conformist views.

      Ernst Zundel began to dedicate himself to the great task of redeeming the sullied reputation of his fellow Germans. Through his Samisdat publishing house he distributed worldwide a prodigious quantity of books, booklets and leaflets.

      Zundel is probably best known for his central role in the "Holocaust Trials" of 1985 and 1988. He was brought to court in Toronto on a charge of "publishing false news", and specifically for publishing a reprint edition of Richard Harwood's booklet entitled: Did Six Million Really Die?, originally published in England by the Historical Review Press.

      Zundel's two lengthy trials - the 1985 trial lasted two months, and the 1988 trial lasted four months - have been the closest thing anywhere to full scale debates on the Holocaust issue. For the first time ever, "Holocaust survivors" and Holocaust historians were closely and critically questioned under oath about their claims and views.

      He continued his campaigns for justice and truth, and on September 19, 1992 was in London to address, with David Irving and Gregory Lauder-Frost, a Clarendon Club meeting of over 300 people on "The Media - Friend or Enemy of our Freedoms".

      Returning to Canada, his position there continued to deteriorate, and in 2005 Judge Pierre Blais stripped Zundel of his citizenship and ordered his deportation to Germany after a corrupt and unjust court case, rife with conflict of interest - Blais was a former federal Minister of Justice in charge of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service which provided secret evidence in the proceedings.

      Zundel was then tried again in Germany and imprisoned for Holocaust Denial. From 2003 until 2010, he was the most prominent political prisoner in the western world. He was freed in March 2010. However, he lives under onerous conditions in Germany and the possibility of being re-arrested at any time for thoughtcrimes looms over him.

      Energetic, tenacious and courageous, he is dauntless in struggle against apparently insurmountable odds and seemingly invincible adversaries. He is the author of countless booklets, newsletters and essays. He is very popular in some parts of the world. Sweden in particular harbors sympathy for his plight, and he is welcome to come to the Aryan motherland for protection.
      --Metapedia

      WLP

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  3. @John Friend:

    So John, why haven't you published my Von Mises quote [posted by me Sunday last] in the latest thread at your site? Did you miss it, or is it verboten for some reason?

    Regards, onebornfree

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  4. Isn't everyone sick and tired of being told all the repressive measures taken by government are done to "protect our freedoms"? Even "the truth is no defense" when it comes to thought crimes? Unbelieveablem, Max!
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    What is wrong with the French marching like idiots to show support for Charlie Hebdo, a bad neocon satire publication? Is all of Europe brainwashed as well?

    By William Blum, Anti-Empire Report
    http://williamblum.org/aer/read/136

    I present here some views on Charlie Hebdo sent to me by a friend in Paris who has long had a close familiarity with the publication and its staff:
    “On international politics Charlie Hebdo was neoconservative. It supported every single NATO intervention from Yugoslavia to the present. They were anti-Muslim, anti-Hamas (or any Palestinian organization), anti-Russian, anti-Cuban (with the exception of one cartoonist), anti-Hugo Chávez, anti-Iran, anti-Syria, pro-Pussy Riot, pro-Kiev … Do I need to continue?

    “Strangely enough, the magazine was considered to be ‘leftist’. It’s difficult for me to criticize them now because they weren’t ‘bad people’, just a bunch of funny cartoonists, yes, but intellectual freewheelers without any particular agenda and who actually didn’t give a fuck about any form of ‘correctness’ – political, religious, or whatever; just having fun and trying to sell a ‘subversive’ magazine (with the notable exception of the former editor, Philippe Val, who is, I think, a true-blooded neocon).”

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    1. Re. "Truth is no defense": excellent article here re. cognitive dissonance in the successful Jesse Ventura court case vs deceased liar, Chris Kyle ...

      http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-of-chris-kyle

      & Thanks for the posts, Compass. On the Charlie Hebdo stuff, this is an excellent interview:

      http://tarpley.net/behind-the-charlie-hebdo-massacre-hollande-bucking-nato

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  5. http://williamblum.org/aer/read/136
    Murdering Journalists … them and us

    '"After Paris, condemnation of religious fanaticism is at its height. I’d guess that even many progressives fantasize about wringing the necks of jihadists, bashing into their heads some thoughts about the intellect, about satire, humor, freedom of speech. We’re talking here, after all, about young men raised in France, not Saudi Arabia.

    SNIP In the 1980s, the United States overthrew the Afghan government that was progressive, with full rights for women, believe it or not 1 , leading to the creation of the Taliban and their taking power.

    In the 2000s, the United States overthrew the Iraqi government, destroying not only the secular state, but the civilized state as well, leaving a failed state.

    In 2011, the United States and its NATO military machine overthrew the secular Libyan government of Muammar Gaddafi, leaving behind a lawless state and unleashing many hundreds of jihadists and tons of weaponry across the Middle East.

    And for the past few years the United States has been engaged in overthrowing the secular Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad. This, along with the US occupation of Iraq having triggered widespread Sunni-Shia warfare, led to the creation of The Islamic State with all its beheadings and other charming practices.

    However, despite it all, the world was made safe for capitalism, imperialism, anti-communism, oil, Israel, and jihadists. God is Great!

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  6. I'm sorry, but the "free speech" hypocrisy in Paris is too much.

    From William Blum's report again: (How many journalists has the US killed?)
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    "No reference was made to the fact that the American military, in the course of its wars in recent decades,... had been responsible for the deliberate deaths of dozens of journalists.

    =In Iraq,... the cold-blooded murder of two Reuters journalists;

    =the 2003 US air-to-surface missile attack on the offices of Al Jazeera in Baghdad that left three journalists dead and four wounded;

    =the American firing on Baghdad’s Hotel Palestine the same year that killed two foreign cameramen.


    =October 8, 2001, the transmitters for the Taliban government’s Radio Shari were bombed and shortly after this the US bombed some 20 regional radio sites......

    =And in Yugoslavia, in 1999, during the infamous 78-day bombing..... state-owned Radio Television Serbia (RTS) was targeted...... The bombs took the lives of many of the station’s staff, and both legs of one of the survivors, which had to be amputated to free him from the wreckage.

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  7. Back in the 1990s, I was introduced to the "Adventures of Ernst" through the extensive coverage Liberty Lobby gave him in its newspaper and on its radio shows. The blatant denial of Zundel's right to "question official Holocaust(tm) history" by the oppressive Canadian and German governments became painfully obvious. But at no time did Willis Carto's militant Zundel-defenders ever broach another aspect of the man's "unusual" world view, Zundel's fervent embrace of the Blavatsky-endorsed "hollow earth" mythology, as summarised here:

    "The chief figure in the Nazi hollow-earth movement is a Toronto man named Ernst Zundel, who writes under the name Christof Friedrich. Zundel operates a clearinghouse for Nazi materials and contends, as do other neo-Nazis, that the Holocaust never took place. In UFOs-Nazi Secret Weapons? (1976) he claimed that when World War II ended, Hitler and his Last Battalion boarded a submarine and escaped to Argentina; they then established a base for advanced saucer-shaped aircraft inside the hole at the South Pole. When the Allies learned what had happened, they dispatched Adm. Richard E. Byrd and a "scientific expedition--in fact an army-to attack the Nazi base, but they were no match for the superior Nazi weapons.

    To Zundel the Nazis were "outer earth representatives of the 'inner earth'." This in his view accounted for their racial superiority. In 1978, with the publication of his Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions, Zundel solicited funds for his own polar expedition, for which he planned to charter an airliner with a large swastika painted on its fuselage. The swastika not only would bear witness to Zundel's ideological loyalties but also let the inner-earthers know that their visitors were friendly."

    The above quote is part of a larger essay found here:

    http://www.skygaze.com/content/strange/HollowEarth.shtml

    Gives a somewhat wider perspective on this eccentric fellow who definitely HAS suffered (via imprisonment) for his beliefs, doesn't it?

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  8. Onebornfree said : "@John Friend: So John, why haven't you published my Von Mises quote [posted by me Sunday last] in the latest thread at your site? Did you miss it, or is it verboten for some reason?"


    Here's what I just received via email from Mr Friend regarding my inquiry of him [quoted above] and his strange [to me] ignoring of my attempted post at his site :

    " Sorry OBF, I'm not publishing this and similar comments. Why don't you write an article explaining why Hitler and National Socialism was so bad and wrong? You can post it on your own site."

    Sad to say, it seems Mr Friend cannot tolerate serious intellectual criticism of his hero, Adolf Hitler and/or the German National Socialism "system" on his own blog.

    Oh well, "another one bites the dust", I guess. :-).

    regards, onebornfree.

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  10. John Friend's Agenda?

    [Since it appears that my questions/ comments at John Friends blog site are now forbidden [see above], I will have to make my comments here instead.]

    Here goes :

    I do not know this for a fact, of course, but after frequent visits to Mr Friends blog, and reading his posts there for the past year or more, I'm guessing that his [and others] ultimate agenda is to completely renovate the tattered and torn image of both Hitler, and the economic system he advocated [ie. German style National Socialism] .

    This goes well beyond Holocaust revisionism, which is just a "stepping-stone" I'm guessing, in the imagined path to a complete renovation of the ideas of German style National socialism, with the ultimate goal being the installment of that same system in the US itself.

    Holocaust Revisionism:

    Of course, after a war ends, the history of it is always written by the victors, so it was/is inevitable that German war crimes were exaggerated, while Allied crimes were forgotten, so it is very possible that the post war "holocaust" story is a total fabrication, or at the least a gross exaggeration.

    But so what?

    Even if, for the sake of argument I admit that the holocaust was a myth concocted by the Allies[ in truth I do not know for sure that it was a total fabrication, but am prepared to accept that it was most likely a huge exaggeration], that does not mean, logically speaking, that the German system was/is a viable system that needs to be instated either here [US], or elsewhere.

    The plain fact of the matter is that German socialism is ultimately no better than the socialism of any other state, before or since.

    For various reasons to do with both location, population, and basic economic realities, German socialism "worked" marginally better at the time than the socialism of the USSR, but never the less, just like the socialism of the USSR [ the German system borrowed heavily from Marx, as Hitler readily admitted] , it was ultimately doomed to complete failure, and no match for the [still socialist but less so] economies of the main allies in WW2, the US and Gt. Britain.

    Persons like Mr Friend, who believe in some imaginary Hitlerian "good guy" running theirs, and everyone else's lives for them to their personal satisfaction are, frankly speaking, living in a fantasy world where government actually works, when the truth of the matter is :

    1] that no government ever has worked, and no government ever will.

    2] The larger, the more socialist, the more centralized a government-installed system is at its outset, the sooner it will cause complete collapse of that country's economy.

    If I am right in my guesswork so far, here's hoping that at some stage Mr Friend and friends "wake up and smell the coffee" and abandon their delusional faith in Hitler and German National Socialism, or any other, wrongly perceived as "better", form of government [hint: they _all_ stink to high heaven], and instead decide to take their own responsibility for their own lives , instead of blaming everything on "the jewish conspiracy" or whatever.

    Regards, onebornfree

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    1. Onebornjewish:

      Enough of your British psychobable. You have a government. We all have to live and suffer under government, and always will. There's nothing we can do it about it. We can, however, opine about disproportionate jewish control, power and greed.

      What you fail to understand is that it is the jew that causes so much unnecessary hardship, death, destruction, immorality and poverty in this world.

      The jewish parasite is the reason you are just a blubbering wanker, plunking away at your guitar, reading cluesforum posts all day and posting long-winded drivel on blog sites.

      The jew is the reason your parents were poor, you are poor and your children (if you even have any) will be poor. jewish immorality and filth is attempting to corrupt my children daily, and I resent it. It's not the North Koreans or Mongolians promoting filth to us and our children or draining us dry with their fraudulent central bank. It's the jew, capisce? You are either incredibly naive in regards to the tribe, or a jew yourself. All conspiracy roads lead to Tel Aviv.

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    2. "The plain fact of the matter is that German socialism is ultimately no better than the socialism of any other state, before or since." -- OBF

      OBF, clearly there are better and worse socialisms, as in fact you go on to admit.

      But in any case, 'national socialism' means just that - a coming together behind the national idea over and above economic or other divisions.

      It is an explicit alternative to economic socialism where factions are pitted against each other in competition for various spoils first confiscated then redistributed by the government.

      In principle national socialism would not differ in ultimate meaning from free-association. And in practice did not differ either. Overwhelmingly Germans did want to come together as a nation, and those who did not were free to withdraw from the social contract and associated duties and benefits, Thomas Mann is just one notorious example.

      You're huffing and puffing at strawmen.

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    3. @ SW: your attempted character assassination, is transparent , and reveals that you have no real points to make.

      You are just another immature whiner who cannot/refuses to take responsibility for their own life, but blames some other imagined all powerful outside force [in this case the jews], for the pitiful state of their own life.

      Grow up, get a life, fool.

      onebornfree

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  11. OBF, well said and expressed as usual.

    I thought the topic, though, was about thought crimes--the criminalizing of speech about the Holocaust. If the facts reported are true, why should anyone care about inquiry into those facts. Why should people be put in jail for what amounts to thought crimes?

    As to the slippery slope argument of promoting Hitler's socialism, how is that a problem? Knowledge is power. We have lived through decades of censorship on this issue and it's time for the truth.

    I, for one, think the Zionists have overdone their plight in WWII of victimhood--demanding and receiving reparations and all sorts of advantages that other victims have never received or even asked for.

    Are their claims about the six million accurate? And what about the hundreds of museums and memorials erected over the decades? Just like those to 9/11, these can never be undone. That's why the myths must continue and why there may not be questioned.

    Why are we imprisoning people for answering these questions? Doesn't that go against "free speech" held so dear in Paris this past week over a frivolous neocon cartoon from a bad neocon publication? What a waste of time and energy that was.

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  12. Joan Edwards said "Why are we imprisoning people for answering these questions? Doesn't that go against "free speech" "

    The sad fact of the matter is, Joan, that once you have a government in the first place, sooner or later that government will prohibit speech it finds objectionable or threatening to it and its various agendas.

    It's a part of the price we all pay for having a government ; no more, no less. [In other words, if you are in favor of having a government rule over you, don' complain about its hypocritical policies regarding allowed/disallowed speech :-) ].

    This is readily apparent "even" in the US, despite the fact that the first 4 words of the 1st amendment say :" Government shall make no law....".

    'Truth is, the Bill of Rights was/is a scam.

    See: "The Bill of Rights Scam" :
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2010/05/1789-judiciary-act-scam.html

    and....., listen to :"Dreams[ Anarchist Blues],":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0o-C1_LZzk

    Forget government promises of "freedom of speech" , its a myth.

    Regards, onebornfree

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  13. Andy Tyme wrote:

    "To Zundel the Nazis were "outer earth representatives of the 'inner earth'." This in his view accounted for their racial superiority. In 1978, with the publication of his Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions, Zundel solicited funds for his own polar expedition, for which he planned to charter an airliner with a large swastika painted on its fuselage.........

    http://www.skygaze.com/content/strange/HollowEarth.shtml

    "Gives a somewhat wider perspective on this eccentric fellow who definitely HAS suffered (via imprisonment) for his beliefs, doesn't it?"
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    Yes, too bad so many of the persecuted ones turn out to be kooky wackos in some areas, or alleged to be, at least. "Guilt by association" is the fallacy, I think?

    Arthur Butz was a professor of engineering at Northwestern who published on the Holocaust in 1976, and they tried to discredit him ferociously.
    Arthur Butz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In 1976, Butz published The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry, which denies that Nazi Germany tried to exterminate the Jews during the Holocaust.[3]

    Faculty reaction
    In 2006, sixty of Butz's colleagues from the Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science faculty signed a censure describing Butz's Holocaust denial as "an affront to our humanity and our standards as scholars".[4] The letter also called for Butz to "leave our Department and our University and stop trading on our reputation for academic excellence."[4]

    University President Henry S. Bienen issued the following statement:

    Northwestern University Associate Professor Arthur Butz recently issued a statement commending Iranian President Ahmadinejad's assertion that the Holocaust never happened. Butz is a Holocaust denier who has made similar assertions previously. His latest statement, like his earlier writings and pronouncements, is a contemptible insult to all decent and feeling people. While I hope everyone understands that Butz's opinions are his own and in no way represent the views of the University or me personally, his reprehensible opinions on this issue are an embarrassment to Northwestern.

    There is no question that the Holocaust is a well-documented historical fact. The University has a professorship in Holocaust Studies endowed by the Holocaust Educational Foundation. Northwestern offers courses in Holocaust Studies and organizes conferences of academic scholars who teach in areas relating to the Holocaust. In addition, Northwestern hosts a summer Institute for Holocaust and Jewish Civilization. And most recently, a fellowship in the political science department has been established in my name by the Holocaust Educational Foundation. In short, Northwestern University has contributed significantly to the scholarly research of the Holocaust and remains committed to doing so.

    Butz is a tenured associate professor in electrical engineering. Like all faculty members, he is entitled to express his personal views, including on his personal web pages, as long as he does not represent such opinions as the views of the University. Butz has made clear that his opinions are his own and at no time has he discussed those views in class or made them part of his class curriculum. Therefore, we cannot take action based on the content of what Butz says regarding the Holocaust - however odious it may be - without undermining the vital principle of intellectual freedom that all academic institutions serve to protect.

    Henry S. Bienen
    President[5]

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  14. OBF, I know you want to talk about anarchy, but is this the place to do it? Isn't that changing the subject a bit?

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  15. Compass said: "OBF, I know you want to talk about anarchy, but is this the place to do it? Isn't that changing the subject a bit?"

    I do not want to talk about anarchy specifically Joan.

    However, if the subject is freedom of speech , and various complaints about a perceived lack thereof [because of government interference], its inevitable that someone like myself is going to point out that you are getting upset over nothing , and that its a big mistake to expect freedom of speech in the first place if you have a government, in the first place - because governments _never_ keep their word.

    And by the way, I'm not promoting worldwide, or even nationwide, anarchy as a cure for all yours , or anyone elses, perceived ills, only _individual_ anarchy; ie individual withdrawal from "the system", which involves changing _nothing_ in the existing system, and only requires an individuals withdrawal/secession from it.

    After all, I am a Personal Freedom Consultant:

    www.onebornfree.blogspot.com

    Regards, onebornfree.

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    1. If the UK government were to vanish tomorrow many people whose speech has offended many others would be hanging from lamp-posts by sundown.

      And in a state of nature without the civilizing force of government, guys like you who want to be 'individuals' and thumb your nose at your tribe won't last two minutes. Grow up, for God's sake!

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  16. "However, if the subject is freedom of speech.......its inevitable that someone like myself is going to point out that you are getting upset over nothing , and that its a big mistake to expect freedom of speech in the first place if you have a government, in the first place - because governments _never_ keep their word."....OBF
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    I'm glad you cleared that up. My gripe has to do with the country and government of Israel and the advantage they've been taking with the rest of the world since the end of WWII. We find that the allegations of six million dead may not be true and not even close. Anyone questioning that suddenly becomes guilty of hate crimes. This is wrong and illogical. Don't you agree?

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  18. Compass said :"My gripe has to do with the country and government of Israel and the advantage they've been taking with the rest of the world since the end of WWII. ....This is wrong and illogical. Don't you agree?"

    Again Joan, I would say that you are getting upset over nothing, even though I understand your sentiments. ["This is wrong and illogical"]

    You are simply refusing to recognize what is essentially only just another small part of the overall price of having a government in the first place that you and everyone else must pay, in my opinion.

    No differently from any other supporter of government, it seems you want governments , but expect them to conform to your own standards of behavior of what , in your minds eye, they should and should not do. This is a big mistake, nothing less than living in a fantasy world, as far as I can see.

    Fact: no government can/will conform to your idea of what they should/should not do.

    When they don't conform to your behavior standards for governments, [ie to your fantasy] this heretofore unforeseen/ unanticipated price of having government [which you have now been confronted with- "in your face" so to speak], upsets you.

    Your primary mistake, I believe, is expecting any government to conform to your own standards of right and wrong, when the truth of the matter is, they most likely never can, and most likely never will.

    So if you want governments in existence, it would be wise to discover and then accept the total price of having them [or if you cannot, talk to someone like me, perhaps- I'm cheap, only $100 per hour :-) ]

    The Jewish Success/Failure- Take Comfort!

    If I were you, I'd take comfort in the obvious fact that the Jewish, worldwide, seeming political successes in outlawing by government decree such subjects as holocaust revisionism and the open discussion/questioning of that period of history, is actually a huge failure and is actually working against them as individuals in this world, as evidenced by the noticeable rise in anti-semitism both here and in Europe etc.

    This is because laws always, _always_ ultimately have the exact opposite of their intended/assumed effect.

    Thus, laws supposedly protecting Jews against holocaust revisionist historical research etc. etc. ultimately _must_ cause a massive backlash that is socially detrimental to jews everywhere - and that is exactly what is going on now.

    In other words, the problem many non jews [yourself presumably] might loosely call "the jewish/Israel problem", is in fact an inevitable, direct consequence of governments past actions supposedly aimed at "solving" the "jewish problem" in their own favor.

    Stupid Jews?

    So it appears that even many Jews, who are, after all often ascribed [wrongly, I believe] racial mental capacity characteristics of above average intelligence and awareness, are just as stupid as the gentiles and, no more able to see/understand that there are _no_ government solutions to the "jewish problem", or to the "muslim" problem, or to any other problem in this world, and that any government "solution" that they can manage to get passed into law anywhere actually works against them all, in the long run.

    All government "solutions" are a scam, because all governments are also, a scam - however most Jews apparently don't "get it" and will welcome more laws restricting "anti-jew" speech, however it is no less true that most non-jews [ie Fetzer, Friend, you? muslims, christians , buddhists, "conservatives" "liberals", fascists, communists etc. etc. ], don't "get it" either.

    Because most Jews don't "get it" you should expect more restrictions on anti-jewish speech, and consequently, a further increase in anti-semitic sentiments everywhere those laws exist, in the future.

    Regards, onebornfree.
    The Problem Solver: www.onebornfree.blogspot.com

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  19. James Traficant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Defending John Demjanjuk

    Traficant championed the unpopular cause of John Demjanjuk, a Ukrainian-born autoworker from Seven Hills, who had been convicted in Israel and sentenced to hang for having been the brutal concentration camp guard Ivan the Terrible For almost a decade, Traficant (along with Pat Buchanan) insisted that Demjanjuk had been denied a fair trial, and been the victim of mistaken identity; in 1993 the Supreme Court of Israel overturned the conviction, on the basis of doubt. Demjanjuk was later deported to Germany on May 11, 2009, after the Supreme Court of the United States refused to overturn his deportation order. Demjanjuk was tried and convicted by a German criminal court of being an accessory to murder, but died before the German Appellate Court could hear his case, thereby voiding the conviction.

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    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/traficant_lashes_out_183.html

    Traficant Lashes Out at Power of Israel

    Ohio Congressman Jim Traficant went into prison unbent and unbowed and—despite seven years behind bars—the outspoken Ohio populist remains unbent and unbowed.

    Assessing his years of torment and imprisonment by the federal authorities Traficant summed it up as follows:

    I didn’t give a damn what they did to me. And from this day forward, talking with you, I don’t give a damn what anybody does to me. I’m going to say what I think is right, I’m going to do what I think is right. And if it offends some people, then so be it.

    But if you’re a politician and you support me, you’re in trouble. If you’re a businessman and you give me money on my finance report, you get audited. I was a target. And you know what I’m most proud of? That I was that target. I must have been doing something damn right. I was doing the right things.

    snip What was it that Traficant said that so exercised the JTA and other powerful pressure groups such as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which consistently agitated against Traficant during his years in Congress?

    First of all, Traficant dared to say that he was, in his words, “the number one target of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.” He went on to assert: I believe that Israel has a powerful stranglehold on the American government. They control the members of both the House and the Senate. They have us involved in wars in which we have little or no interest. Our children are coming back in body bags. Our nation is bankrupt over these wars. And if you open your mouth, you get targeted. And if they don’t beat you at the polls, they’ll put you in prison.

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  20. Let Cuba Live! The Devil’s List of what the United States has done to Cuba

    On May 31, 1999, a lawsuit for $181 billion in wrongful death, personal injury, and economic damages was filed in a Havana court against the government of the United States. It was subsequently filed with the United Nations. Since that time its fate is somewhat of a mystery.

    The lawsuit covered the 40 years since the country’s 1959 revolution and described, in considerable detail taken from personal testimony of victims, US acts of aggression against Cuba; specifying, often by name, date, and particular circumstances, each person known to have been killed or seriously wounded. In all, 3,478 people were killed and an additional 2,099 seriously injured.

    snip No unsuccessful American attacks were deemed relevant, and consequently there was no testimony regarding the many hundreds of unsuccessful assassination attempts against Cuban President Fidel Castro and other high officials, or even of bombings in which no one was killed or injured.

    Damages to crops, livestock, or the Cuban economy in general were also excluded, so there was no testimony about the introduction into the island of swine fever or tobacco mold.

    However, those aspects of Washington’s chemical and biological warfare waged against Cuba that involved human victims were described in detail, most significantly the creation of an epidemic of hemorrhagic dengue fever in 1981, during which some 340,000 people were infected and 116,000 hospitalized; this in a country which had never before experienced a single case of the disease. snip.

    Another section of the complaint described the armed terrorist groups, los banditos, who ravaged the island for five years, from 1960 to 1965, when the last group was located and defeated. These bands terrorized small farmers, torturing and killing those considered (often erroneously) active supporters of the Revolution; men, women, and children. Several young volunteer literacy-campaign teachers were among the victims of the bandits.

    There was also of course the notorious Bay of Pigs invasion, in April 1961. Although the entire incident lasted less than 72 hours, 176 Cubans were killed and 300 more wounded, 50 of them permanently disabled.

    The complaint also described the unending campaign of major acts of sabotage and terrorism that included the bombing of ships and planes as well as stores and offices.

    The most horrific example of sabotage was of course the 1976 bombing of a Cubana airliner off Barbados in which all 73 people on board were killed. There were as well as the murder of Cuban diplomats and officials around the world, including one such murder on the streets of New York City in 1980.

    This campaign continued to the 1990s, with the murders of Cuban policemen, soldiers, and sailors in 1992 and 1994, and the 1997 hotel bombing campaign, which took the life of a foreigner; the bombing campaign was aimed at discouraging tourism and led to the sending of Cuban intelligence officers to the US in an attempt to put an end to the bombings; from their ranks rose the Cuban Five.

    To the above can be added the many acts of financial extortion, violence and sabotage carried out by the United States and its agents in the 16 years since the lawsuit was filed. In sum total, the deep-seated injury and trauma inflicted upon on the Cuban people can be regarded as the island’s own 9-11.

    http://williamblum.org/aer/read/136

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  21. "Again Joan, I would say that you are getting upset over nothing, even though I understand your sentiments. ["This is wrong and illogical"]

    "You are simply refusing to recognize what is essentially only just another small part of the overall price of having a government in the first place that you and everyone else must pay, in my opinion.....OBF
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    Well, OBF, I'm not THAT upset! I just don't think people ought to go to jail for intellectual inquiry.

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  22. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9qVUnJcVb0&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688

    ? The Whistle Blower, Gilad Atzmon & The OHE (EPK) - YouTube
    The music, the production and the thought behind
    The album 'The Whistle Blower' was recorded in September 2014.
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    ? Jeff Rense in conversation with Gilad Atzmon & Brother Nathanael - YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lijIYyC5Ks

    How to take back US from Jewish power. With Gilad Atzman. Hate speech--still have first ammendment. Listen to this!

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  23. Joan, here's an interesting article on Cuba:

    [excerpt] "It’s taken over half a century for the US to finally figure out how to neutralize pesky Communist Cuba. Invasions, air raids, crushing sanctions, attempts to murder the Castro leadership by exploding cigars and poisons, diplomatic isolation, poisoning crops – all failed.

    Now, the lame duck Obama administration has finally figured out how to put an end to Cuba’s Communist system: human wave attacks by hordes of American tourists in loud golf wear yelling “USA,USA!” and waving Visa cards......"

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/eric-margolis/adios-cuba/

    Regards, onebornfree

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  24. "human wave attacks by hordes of American tourists in loud golf wear yelling “USA,USA!” and waving Visa cards......"

    LOL, OBF. I don't think we have to fear the obnoxious American tourist but rather the developers who will snap up properties for nothing and then create another Florida. You can bet they will get rid of the great health care Cubans enjoy.

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  25. "human wave attacks by hordes of American tourists in loud golf wear yelling “USA,USA!” and waving Visa cards....."



    " hordes of American tourists "


    Surely you mean hordes of undercover
    CIA "tourists"?

    Not all "tourists" are tourists.

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  26. Compass said : " You can bet they will get rid of the great health care Cubans enjoy. "

    I know nothing about Cuban health care at this time but I'm willing to bet you are referring to some sort of government-run/controlled system.

    If so, I will say that the Cuban health care system is no more or less of a criminal scam than is any other government-run health-care system [or any other government controlled "system"] , anywhere else in the world.

    You should know better Joan, surely?

    Regards, onebornfree.

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  27. Are you kidding, OBF? Must see this movie, "Sicko" by Michael Moore.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApqTq_8fS-Y

    ? Sicko Trailer www.kahveevii.com - YouTube

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  28. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDHklw6PV3U

    ? 'Sicko' Clip: The Truth About HMO's - YouTube
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    It was Nixon who in 1971, made a deal with Kaiser Permenente to make a profit on healthcare. This is why most Americans are bankrupt today. We've been working three jobs just to buy insurance and most of the time it doesn't even cover the cost of healthcare.

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  29. Carlos, the Cuban CIA exiles will be back to claim what they lost after Batista.

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  30. The TRUE Powers-That-Be (not their squabbling minions/factions such as the American CIA and the former Soviet KGB) are the behind-the-scenes, occult-obsessed, ultra-rich. You know, the folks who can start and stop large-scale WARS at will. These are the characters who decided, more than half a century ago, that their experimental, total-surveillance, slave state popularly known as "Revolutionary Cuba" would NEITHER be USA-invaded NOR collapse under the weight of external sanctions and internal systemic flaws -- for as long as the the REAL PTB deemed it necessary to serve their covert, psycho/social-engineering agenda.

    Haven't you ever wondered WHY the public has been treated (in the controlled, mainstream media) to the "circus" of all those highly publicised stories detailing Uncle Sugar's long string of (sometimes quite goofy) failed attempts to "ice" Fidel and topple his "worker's paradise"???

    It all tracks back to the DELIBERATELY SABOTAGED Bay of Pigs Invasion and has continued right up to the present "opening up" by the Obamanoids.

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  31. Andy, don't you think the embargo has something to do with this? What is the point of such an embargo? Note, in the UN, Israel voted WITH the US.

    Condemned…again: 'Genocidal' US embargo on Cuba slammed by UN for 21st year
    The UN has urged the US to lift the 52-year trade embargo with Cuba in an almost-unanimous vote. Cuba likened the blockade to “genocide” and said it was disappointed that Obama had not taken measures to lift the disputed embargo.
    Of the 193 members of the UN assembly, 188 voted to abolish what is widely perceived as an illegal blockade. The only two nations that got behind the US were ISRAEL and the Pacific nation of Palau, while two countries abstained from the vote.

    This is the 21st year running that the UN has decried the American economic sanctions against the island nation.

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  32. All of Jim's new shows can be found below...every episode has a HD video version an audio mp3 and a download button as well a description and links for more info on every show, thanks!

    http://www.webookyourshow.com/blog/2014/12/06/THE-REAL-DEAL-with-James-H-Fetzer-on-MBC-TV.aspx

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  35. Nick Dean said: " clearly there are better and worse socialisms, as in fact you go on to admit."

    No, I do not admit it, you misunderstood. There are _no_ better forms of socialism.

    Socialism of any type always leads to a lower general standard of living for any group that pursues it. It leads to more poverty [for the broad masses], and war.

    Nick Dean said: "'national socialism' means just that - a coming together behind the national idea over and above economic or other divisions. "

    Which means an enforced overriding of individual consumer and producer desires and preferences, and those people instead being forced to produce and consume only what the government dictates - which is exactly what happened in Germany.

    Nick Dean said: "It is an explicit alternative to economic socialism where factions are pitted against each other in competition for various spoils first confiscated then redistributed by the government. "

    No, no and no, Nick. National Socialism _ is_ economic socialism; nothing more nothing less- ie a system where almost all individual choices [except those of the Fuhrer] are overridden by government decree. This was/is central to the Nazi socialist doctrine.

    Economic socialism was/is its fundamental hallmark, virtually no different from that of the Russian model.

    In a free market products/services are freely produced by entrepreneurs at their own risk and must compete for the consumers purchasing of them [or not].

    Those products are not "spoils" that have been confiscated and then redistributed by the government.

    That, [ ie enforced confiscation and redistribution of goods] was/is a central feature of both main forms of socialism, ie the Russian model and the German model.

    Nick Dean said:" In principle national socialism would not differ in ultimate meaning from free-association. "

    Complete and utter BS Nick. German National Socialism has nothing to do with the free association of individuals, never has done, never will.

    German National Socialism was/is an enforced denial of the free market, that is, of the individual free choices of consumers--and of producers, who could , under Nazism, only produce, in the amounts decreed, at prices decreed, when and _if_ allowed.

    Regards, onebornfree

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    1. In reality, National Socialism and indeed myself, tend to favour the kinds of concerns and ideals in economic affairs you do, OBF. Who doesn't, except Marxists? But most people, thankfully, see that the economic sphere of life is built upon prior social foundations that also require consideration and have value in themselves.

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  37. There is a meme I liked to post which showed police rounding up people who claimed that 2+2=4. The criminalization of holocaust denial is exactly that. Even by their own numbers (which are certainly way off), the number of deaths at Auschwitz was reduced by 2.5 million! That exact massive quantity just happened to pop up elsewhere, producing the magic six million. Not likely. So using their own numbers, They will haul you away for proclaiming that 6M-2.5M does not equal 6M.

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  38. To OBF: Please expound on your theory of government, non-government, or whatever you call it. What system is it you are advocating? How does one have a free market economy without any rules?

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