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Thanks very much for organizing this timely talk. It's greatly appreciated.
ReplyDeleteGood interview, being a fellow Missourian I have an appreciation for Stew's dogged singular mission to prosecute these criminals. I really feel the day is coming. Thanks for the info.
ReplyDeleteI have been listening to Mr Duff for several years. He has variously described himself as an International Banker, Government adviser, criminal investigator, gunsmith, oil industry adviser, security adviser to foreign governments, Republican Party operative, wine importer,something semi permanent in Germany, editor, publisher and journalist. He claims deep knowledge of fourth generation laser triggered nuclear devices with dial a blast capabilities and of synthetic aperture satellite radar. He also seems to have acquired two masters degrees whilst having been at all times a 100% disabled Marine combat vet. His latest most incredible job is to blame the US for actualy attacking the Liberty. Jim come on, whrer are your critical faculties.
ReplyDeleteHi Salar, not disputing what you have said, and I have not had chance to listen to this, but according to Burton Hersh [maybe Hirsh], the Liberty was attacked by Israel on orders from the US. The point was to blame the event on Nasser in Egypt as pretext to inmvade and bring an end to pan-Arabism. The plan failed when a Russian ship entered the area and saw that it was Israelis who were attacking the ship. According to the author, this event was planned by something called the '303 group' which was headed by Richard Helms [almost certainly one of the conspirators in the JFK hit].
DeleteI believe this account to be correct as Israel was and is utterly dependant on US support, and wouldnt daree do anything like this without prior approval. If the US withdrew its support for Israel, she wouldnt last a week.
I like Gordon Duff. He exposes a lot of criminality in high places (accurately, I believe), and he has a firm handle on the Washington-Tel Aviv empire-building joint venture (while avoiding the trap of antisemitism). I tend to trust him as a researcher and don't believe there's any devious purpose behind the few mistakes (I believe) he makes. He seems to me to have the intelligence, flexibility, and work ethic to fill the positions and earn the degrees he's claimed for himself, so on that account I can't agree with Salar. As for the U.S.S. Liberty Incident, I think he's depended too much on the Libertarian/John Birch community, such people of limited trustworthiness as Ray McGovern (whom I also find likeable), and the (yes, valiant) crew of the Liberty, who everyone should keep in mind were not in the loop - that is, they were in on the ship's mission only on a need-to-know basis.
ReplyDeleteI suspect that this account of the U.S.S. Liberty Incident by John Loftus and Mark Aarons (rehashed by Dave Emory) is not 100% correct, either (by a long shot). It's highly pro-Zionist and anti-Arab, but it raises some questions and gives some details that have a powerful semblance of truth. The Loftus-Aaron account agrees with Gordon Duff's claim that Americans in Israeli-marked planes were involved in the attacks - actually Jewish-Americans, and they were piloting Israeli aircraft.
Unfortunately, getting at the truth is complicated by the often competing powerful interests involved in the very real political conspiracies. The ability to suspend judgement is an essential intellectual tool. I hope I don't go overboard myself and let my own judgement get clouded when I take on Nazis, Democrats, Libertarians, or any of the other actors I feel compelled to go head-to-head with. My father was shot down and killed by Goering's Luftwaffe; and, much as I love a good German military march (the Nazi ones being the best), I've had in my research to give the benefit of the doubt to anti-fascism. I fear that Gordon does the same for anti-communism owing to his experience growing up as a red-diaper baby (which I heard him admit to in another interview): perhaps his father was in the CP and a Stalinist (for that reason his use of the Stalinist smear 'Trotskyite'?), and perhaps for that reason he associates Bolshevism with the counter-revolutionary bonapartist Stalin. Loftus, Aarons, and Dave Emory, I fear, sometimes let their Jewish sympathies cloud their judgement when it comes to Zionism; but I think their version of the facts, here and elsewhere, are worthy of consideration.
Dave Fryett, the Hersh (maybe Hirsh) account definitely has more explanatory value than the standard Libertarian account, as given play for instance by Alex Jones and also by Ray McGovern. But, for my money, the Loftus-Aarons account of the U.S. Liberty Incident has the most. Especially so if you take their "poor little Israel" slant with a grain of salt. Their thesis that the U.S. and British oil interests have long had a strategy of playing the Arabs off against the Israeli Jews -and that it played a crucial role in the incident- has a lot of merit, I believe.
DeleteI didn't necessarily embrace the Hersh version [though I do not reject either], However if the Loftus version is correct, than I know nothing of international politics or history. Imho, it can be safely dismissed, and I can give you several examples of historical incidents which are entirely incompatible with the disinformationist Loftus' interpretation.
DeleteAnd as regards Nasser, there is no doubt. We have from gov' documents as well as McGeorge Bundy, LBJ, and Robert Macnamara that they wanted Nasser out.
Loftus, the former[?] intel' officer, wrote "the Secret War against the Jews," and it has to9 be given serious consideration for the worst book ever written. He lies on every page.
Loftus is presenting history in just the way capital would have us believe it. If anything he says is ever found to be accurate, it is only because the truth cleaved with his propaganda mission.
However, I think the thesis Loftus supports that the Western powers were playing off the Arabs and the Israelis against each other makes sense (and from the standpoint of the interests of big capital). Of course they want anyone out who isn't playing along with them 100%: they wanted Saddam Hussein out, who was someone they had also put in and originally supported.
DeleteAs for the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty being a ploy to get the U.S. into the war against Egypt, there seems to have been no follow-up to make the claim stick that it was an Egyptian attack. The Liberty crew were put under orders to remain silent. The point that Loftus and Aarons make that the Israelis could easily have sunk the Liberty in a first strike is a damning one for any of these three possibilities: (1) that the Israelis honestly believed the ship to be Egyptian, (2) that the Israelis were in consensus with Lyndon Johnson to sink the ship (which would have allowed him to go ahead and bomb Cairo), or (3) that a unified policy for the attack that the Israeli leadership trusted was conveyed by the U.S. to Israel.
What I'll call the "Libertarian Thesis" fails on four counts: (1) Israeli influence in the U.S. Government was nowhere near what it is today, (2) the U.S. relied on the friendship of Arab regimes because it hadn't yet established military hegemony in the Middle East, (3) the ship was not immediately sunk when it could have been, and (4) it has never been explained (to my satisfaction) why the U.S. spy ship would operating in Israeli coastal waters in the first place. On the basis of point (2) in the preceding paragraph and owing to the fact that no significant propaganda effort (or any that I know of) was made at the time to blame the Egyptians, I'd have to dismiss the Hersh Thesis, as well. Burton Hersh thinks that Hoover's FBI infiltrated the organizations that plotted the 1934 Morgan Coup attempt against FDR and broke it up, and "tore the Klan apart" when it threatened to terrorize the South and undermine the Voting Rights Act. The 1934 plotters who wanted to set up a fascist dictatorship on the model espoused by the Croix de Feu group in France included the owners and top managers of J.P. Morgan & Co., DuPont de Nemours, Ford, Standard Oil of NJ, and other Fortune 500 companies, who would hardly have allowed the FBI to infiltrate their enterprises: the plot was broken up because of its exposure by patriotic journalists. As for the South: sorry, I was there and the FBI did no such thing because Hoover's sympathies lay with the Klan.
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6aOYIjbfC8
nuff said.
If I heard correctly, Gordon believes the man-made global warming scam.
ReplyDeleteGordon, please see this: naturalclimatechange.us
Gordon Duff: "Now, all we hear is horrible stuff about Obama. That he's Jew World Order; that he's trying to seize our guns; that he's a secret Kenyan; that he's this; that he's that. And yet, all of the worst people on planet Earth hate him. And ah, my issue here is if all the bad people hate him, how can he be bad?"
ReplyDeleteGordon, you have got to be kidding me. There is so much dirt on Obama it'll make anyone's head swim; and you're running cover for him? Get real man.
Gordon Duff's voice sounds very different than when you hear him on Truth Jihad. Perhaps Skype versus a cell phone.
ReplyDeleteDuff claimed that he could call Putin's nephew and have American cities removed from the map. Well, I am sure that the KGB have had a little talk with him asking him not to risk blowing his cover again. And I am sure that they asked Jim to remove this show from the archive, so as to try to keep Duff's identity secret. But we all know that Jim cannot be intimidated by anyone! Bravo!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-dhs-purchases-2700-light-armored-tanks-to-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile/
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