To suggest that the education provided by a British Secondary School* or High School* or Grammar School in the late 1950s or mid 1960s was equivalent to a Bachelor's degree is arrant nonsense. The British (Scottish, Welsh and Irish (Northern Ireland)) education systems at that time started at seven years of age with the Primary School where the pupil spent four years learning how to read and write and also how to count - arithmetic. At the age of eleven the pupil could either go on directly to secondary School or High School or if he or she wished and was particularly bright he or she could sit the "11 plus" (an exam at the age of eleven) at the end of the Primary school years whereby he or she could go to the Grammar School where they were taught history, English language and literature, science (biology, chemistry and physics) art, foreign languages - usually French and Latin, home economics and other subjects. On completion of his or her Grammar School education at the age of sixteen years the student would sit exams ( 'O' Levels) in all his or her subjects. After two years at the age of eighteen the pupil would sit more exams in two or three subjects ( 'A' Levels)and depending on the results could go on to university and study for either three or four years and obtain a degree (in the subject of his or her choice) either a Bachelor of Arts (BA), (In a foreign language or history etc., etc. BA Hons or a B.Sc (in a science subject)). If the pupil did not sit the " 11 plus" or did sit it and did not pass he or she could go to the Secondary School where the student would also study some of the subjects of the Grammar School but could also study wood-work, metal-work and other less "academic" subjects or some other subject which would equip the student for a career perhaps as an electrician etc., etc. Many pupils could also go to Technical college or Tech as it was called which again provided an even more hands on and less academic education than that provided by the Secondary School, High School or Grammar School. All pupils at either the Secondary School, High School, Grammar School or Technical College could simply choose to leave the education system at the age of sixteen after they had sat 'O' Level exams if they wished as long as he or she had fulfilled the legal age requirement for their education. There is no essential difference between a Secondary School or a High School - both offered a less academic and more practical education. The Technical College was designed to provide the student with a career on completion of his or her studies. John Lennon for example went to Dovedale Primary School and then to Quarry Bank Grammar School. The High School in John Lennon's time in Liverpool was called the Rose Lane Secondary Modern School. The Quarry Bank Grammar School merged in 1967 with the Calder Grammar School. He then went to the Liverpool College of Art. Confusion arises in that Secondary School and High School are interchangeable and in that, although a High School and Grammar School are not the same, a Grammar school can be referred to as "a high school". The essential difference between a Grammar School and a High School or Secondary School is that a High School or Secondary School does not select pupils on the basis of their academic ability whereas a Grammar School does.
There is no doubt that the real Paul McCartney died and was replaced. Gabriella Carlesi, an Italian forensic scientist examined photos of pre and post 1966 Paul McCartney and concluded that he did indeed die in late 1966 and was replaced by a double. If you look at the photos it’s pretty obvious that they are not the same person. I went to YouTube and found some old interviews. Check out this David Frost interview from 1965 with the real Paul McCartney and compare it to this 1967 Faul interview. The Beatles never played another concert after McCartney was replaced except for the rooftop concert in 1969. Compare that to the real Paul McCartney live at Shea Stadium in 1965. It's not even close.
Jim- It is said that the Beatles were a creation of the Tavistock Institute and there is much "Total" misses about Paul/Faul. It was the McCartney replacement, Faul, who began the Indica newspaper and art studio. Indica was where John, "accidentally" met Yoko, whose art was on display at Indica. If you can find Indica papers, you will also find that Faul was deeply into Aleister Crowley's magickal system., hence Crowley being featured twice, if not three times on Sgt. Pepper's. In one pf the Indica papers there is a lengthy interview with Faul and Burroughs where they discuss, at length, backward masking and backward speaking, which is ubiquitous in later Beatles albums. In a later interview with Faul, long after the Beatles demise, Faul even talks about being the head of the London "scene" and not John.
Along with the different facial features between Faul and Paul, Faul was taller and much broader-shouldered than was Paul. The height difference can be readily seen on Sgt. Pepper's as well as on Abbey Road.
On Paul's death: Paul was said to have been seen in the French countryside, disoriented. A few days after this report from a woman, Paul was allegedly found, thrown from a plane in France, his legs so crushed they were in his chest. His face was completely disfigured, which was where the "walrus" mention was supposed to be first made; an emergency responder to the death scene reportedly said to John of Paul (John and Ringo, I believe, were flown to the death scene to identify Paul), whose teeth were poked out from his cheeks, "He looks like a walrus." John was said to have freaked out...
There is much, much more information, if you'd like to know.
From my understanding, this all started with a phone call to a radio station from a college man who said he deduced from clues on Beatle albums that Paul was dead. For whatever reasons this rumor spread like wild fire. It certainly didn't hurt Beatles sales, and The Beatles didn't say much about the whole thing. John said it was crazy, Paul's first comment actually fanned the rumor. He said, "If I were dead I'd be the last to know." (I think that's a Mark Twain quote). But anyway, besides the fact that The Beatles had not been in the public eye much at the time, and Paul was quietly at work producing Mary Hopkins, and the press was desperate for a Beatles story, I still think there's more here than meets the eye.
Here is what was supposed to have happened: The story was that Paul McCartney had died in a car accident at 5:00 a.m. on Wednesday, November 9, 1966. 'Paul McCartney Dead: The Great Hoax' suggested that Paul had picked up a female hitchhiker on his way to visit friends. The woman became so excited when she realized who had picked her up that she threw her arms around Paul and caused him to lose control of the car. Both Paul and his passenger were killed when the car swerved off the road and hit a stone fence. And here's where the story takes a turn toward the ludicrous—Paul was decapitated in the accident and the trauma to his head was so severe that even his dental records were useless in identifying the victim! Not wanting to lose potential record sales, record company executives suppressed the story of Paul's death and brought in a lookalike to replace him. For some reason (this is the part where you have to suspend disbelief) the surviving Beatles agreed to go along with this scheme, but they left clues on all of their subsequent albums about Paul's death and the imposter who took his place. Paul's stand-in was a man named William Campbell, who had won a Paul McCartney look-alike contest. With a little plastic surgery, William Campbell had taken Paul's place in photos of the group. The surgery had been successful except for a small scar above his lip. And, as luck would have it, William Campbell could also sing and just happened to be a songwriter with an exceptional ear for pop melodies.
The Beatles all denied that they had perpetrated a hoax and insisted that none of the "clues" about Paul's supposed death had any significance whatsoever. I'm inclined to believe them, and lean toward unintentional "clues." Especially now, knowing all the hard times the group was going through that lead to their demise.I think a riff started with Paul's mega hit Yesterday, coupled with John's statement about being bigger than Jesus. John was a very insecure man, and he really did resent Paul being the cute one, and was jealous of Paul's success's. There was friendship, yes, but there was also an extremely strong state of competition between the two. Turns out this was great for song writing, but in the beginning they were a team, a 50 50 songwriting team. They'd sit across from each other and write songs together. This later turned into writing separately from each other and trying to one up the other. We know now that this style of writing is doomed, it can't keep going. One has to lose, one wins. Paul was winning. He wrote more songs and had more number 1 hits than John. Remember, John was by nature very insecure, and his lack of self confidence was fulfilled at the time by the fans.
But Paul also suffered from a very human character defect. He had a huge ego, and it showed. It wasn't beneath him to rub it in when things were going great for him. In the beginning John was considered the leader. Slowly Paul was taking over, and then rapidly after Brian died. The other three resented Paul. A serious clash was brewing. Paul was looking for approval for his amazing talent as were the others, but they weren't getting it from each other. It didn't matter that the whole world loved them, their world was much smaller and consisted of mostly each other.John's statement that The Beatles were bigger than Jesus was made to a friend/journalist and printed in the British press months before without any noise, but when it was picked up in America (the holy land of Gawd), John was receiving death threats and was 'extremely' paranoid about being shot. A concert in Alabama was actively protested by the KKK, while kids in the bible belt burned Beatles records and books with the blessing of the holy DJs. And, though they stood side by side with John in front of the cameras while John defended himself, the other three were actually very resentful toward John. Touring was eventually stopped and music was made in the studio. The public was not getting their Beatles fixes frequently enough. (Most importantly, John's ego was being dissolved by huge intakes of LSD, and it fell on Paul to hold the group together through this phase).
Now back to the Paul is Dead clues. I think this was mostly a result of Paul's ego. He began to try to stand out from the others. He wore a different color carnation in the now famous Magical Mystery Tour sequence. His later comment that they ran out of the red ones is possible, but absurd. Ask a florist how difficult it is to mutate a black carnation. He turned his back to the camera on the back of the cover of Sgt Pepper, as if he was the maestro conducting the other three. His face on the 8 x 10 glossies that came with The White album was huge. They were supposed to be 4 portraits of each Beatle. His was so close up you could count his nose hairs. Was all this intentional? Probably not all of it, but does it really matter? Being the only shoe-less one out of step on Abbey Rd might have been an accident, but it speaks volumes about Paul and the others. And some of it must have been on purpose. Paul is smoking a cigarette, also known as a "coffin nail". He is holding the cigarette in his right hand, even though the real Paul McCartney was left handed. Was Paul's way of hinting to the world that he was the main Beatle being misunderstood as Paul was the dead Beatle? Hmmm...
There are a few weird things that leads me to believe that John had a bit of fun with it, after the fact. Just before Blackbird on The White album, if you play John's mumbling backwards, it sure sounds like, "Paul is a dead man, Paul is a dead man, miss him, miss him, miss him." But Number 9 backwards sounds a like 'turn me on dead man' just because that's what number 9 backwards sounds like. I think John's only intention when making Revolution 9 was to make an avant garde recording. Oh, at the time, many believed everything was placed there by the Beatles with the intent to let you know Paul was dead (ask any fan from that time), and one could search and find anything one wanted to believe, and Revolution Number 9 was the most used example. Other White Album clues were "Don't Pass Me By", where Ringo expresses his regret at the tragic turn of events after Paul's angry departure from the studio one evening: "I listen for your footsteps coming up the drive/I listen for your footsteps but they don't arrive." George moans "Paul, Paul" at the end of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." It all really got out of hand. I had a great time of it. Lots of bizarre coincidences. I wish I could have wrote this article then, when I was full of enthusiasm about it all. The hand over Paul's head, Paul sitting behind a sign that said "I WAS," Revolution Number 9 backwards, 28IF on the 'Beetle' Volkswagen on Abbey Rd meant Paul would have been 28 IF he had lived. The major problem with that is he would have been 27, but not to worry. In some Indian culture somewhere they count the 9 months in the womb as your first year, so it all made sense (sarcasm). John was the minister, Ringo the undertaker, Paul the corpse, and George the gravedigger.
The OPD badge that was given to him by the Ontario Police Dept suddenly meant officially pronounced dead. Lennon's inspiration from The Walrus and the Carpenter was replaced with the belief that the walrus was a death symbol in Greenland or something. Ha, again. Most clues were a real stretch. John's 'cranberry sauce' at the end of Strawberry Fields at the time was heard as 'I buried Paul.' And it went on and on. I hope you find one of the better web sites that goes into some of the clues. No one could cover them all.It was a cool event to live through, and it's a big part of Beatles history. I don't want to attempt to start listing all the clues because of my perfectionism streak. I know I can't list them all so I won't even try. Besides, to me it's more interesting to decipher the psychological dynamics that were at work among the Beatles that resulted in such weird deductions from fans. It wasn't the clues and sounds and pictures so much as the personalities behind the art. If looked at with a sensible attitude rather than the belief that The Beatles actually inserted codes into their work to hint to fans that Paul had died, I think you can tell a lot about the group. It's too bad really, that two best friends could become such bitter enemies while singing songs like All You Need is Love. What a mess things had become. Perhaps Paul died as a Beatle? Well, they all did didn't they? But maybe if died first? Paul became very depressed over that break up, though he's the one who instigated the lawsuit to dissolve the group. If only he'd waited. If only this, if only that. I happen to be looking at the Let It Be cover right now. Isn't it odd that Paul is looking straight ahead while the others are looking to left. Almost looking away from Paul. But just look at them. Lennon and McCartney's 'lovers spat' completely overshadowing George's talent. Ringo, well he was just happy to be the Beatles drummer. They all forget something vitally important that Brian Epstein told them about the survival of the group. He told them that they were each 25% of the whole. No one can be the Beatles without the other three. And maybe, just maybe, Paul was the first to forget this, and by doing so died as a Beatle. All rumors are based on some facts. And it seems to me, though I've only slightly touched on the subject, that this is what happened. At least in part.
And now, the world is rediscovering The Beatles. Not the break up or the fighting, but the four lads that were friends and belonged in a band together. We remember when we all lived in a yellow submarine, were all together now, and all you needed was love. And those four guys put their life's into that dream and gave it to the world. That light will never dim. For those that came here to find out about the Paul is dead thing, I'm sorry if I've disappointed you. John is dead. George is dead. Ringo still plays drums in his unique and amazing way. Paul is working his butt off doing many things, seemingly revitalized by a new young wife. His pop music still misses that Lennon edge, Harrison guitar, and Ringo back beat.Even Paul had some fun with it on his 'Paul is Live' album. The cover of Paul Is Live shows him with his dog on the famous Abbey Road crosswalk—hardly a funeral procession. In the background of the album cover photo is a Volkswagen Beetle with the license plate reading "51 IS". Rather than being dead in his twenties, Paul is still alive and making music.
Jakob- I won't bother with going into a lengthy explanation of why you are wrong. Enough information exists for you to find out on your own. However, one tidbit is illustrative of just how off base you are on the Faul/Paul issue: there is no such thing as the Ontario Police Department. It is the Ontario Provincial Police. Their badges Have the letters "O.P.P." on them.
This is simply a fascinating subject, I can't wait to hear Claire's perspective!
Although I haven't looked into this subject in any detail, besides listening to this podcast and reading the comments, I tend to agree with Total and others here that Paul was replaced.
i thought that i would right about some of the problems i have with "totalinfo's" theories
1. early instrument replacement all the beatles music up until "I Want to Hold Your Hand" were recorded on 2 tracks machines with the instruments recorded live together onto one track of tape, there would be know possible way to remove any instrument such as Ringo's Drums or John's guitar and replace it with someone else. there is no evidence that any one other than The Beatles, Pete Best, Andy White or George Martin played on any of the records up until "Yesterday" even when they moved up to 4-track machines the majoriy of songs (up until Paperback Writer) were recorded with the basic tracks drums bass and guitars recorded onto one track. there ave been many session tapes and segments that have been bootlegged over the years and there is no evidence on these of anyone other than John, Paul, George and Ringo playing on these songs, no other names are spoken in relation to playing music on these tapes. There would also be no reason reason to do this as all four of them were great musicians even at this early time (this is evident it tapes of them playing in Hamburg in 1962).
2. Hendrix and Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band the fact that Hendrix played a "note for note" cover of "SPLHCB" the day after it was released in no way indicates that her knewthe song from anytime before it was released. a guitarist with the musical ability that Hendrix had could quite often learn a song within 24 hours of hearing it (especialy since SPLHCB is quite a simple song). as for the song on the album, there is no evidence that anyone other than McCartney is playing the lead guitar, it's certainly not Hendrix. If Hendrix did play the lead what reason would they have to keep it secret given that they let the world know that Clapton plays lead on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"?.
3. A Day In The Life and The McCartney Fragment if this part of the song was in fact from a tape recorded at Mccartneys home studio why is there a version that has a different bass and drum track by Pual and Ringo (which were recorded together onto one track) and a vocal in which McCartney flubs a line. Why if Paul is dead and this was from an old home tape would they not only add drums and bass to a "complete" version but also to one in which McCartney flubs a line.
This Paul is Dead (PID) rubbish has been around the block so often that the block has been demolished and is now a Disney Land theme park and the world has moved on. The Pidders should all get a life, get a job, get paid and get laid. If you were mad enough you would believe that President Obama is also dead (OID) and that the Obama who was elected in 2008 died one year later in 2009 and was replaced immediately and seamlessly by a body double. This would obviously explain a lot of things about the new Obama. If you check photos of the Obama who was elected in 2008 and compare them to photos of the new Obama, you can see immediately that the new Obama is slightly taller or smaller (it's your choice) than the the 2008 Obama and that the nose/chin/ears/eyes are not the same and guess what,he talks different to and, yes, he also walks different. What about Michelle and the kids I hear you ask. Well, they were replaced too. Isn't it obvious?
By the way did I tell you about my Jim Fetzer is dead (JFID) theory? Same idea - just change everything - the name and the years etc., etc., etc. ad nauseam.
You Pidders are worse than the JFK Lone Nutters and that takes some doing.
@Robert Lindsay: Please see my previous post where a forensic scientist who examined photos of pre and post 1966 McCartney concluded that they are not the same man. Anyone who has 2 eyes can also plainly see they are not the same person. You sir are an idiot.
Rumors of Paul McCartney's death began to circulate in 1969, a time when the strained relationships among the Beatles were becoming public knowledge. Written versions of this story first appeared in college newspapers in the fall of 1969, but the precise origin of the rumor is unknown. The story caught fire with the public when it was broadcast by a radio station in Detroit. Russell Gibb, a disc jockey for WKNR-FM, received a strange phone call from someone who identified himself only as Tom. The caller told Gibb that Paul McCartney had died in 1966 and was then replaced by a lookalike. The Beatles had subsequently left clues on their albums about this deception. The caller claimed that the cover photo of Abbey Road, the Beatles' most recent release at the time, represented a funeral procession with John as the minister, Ringo the undertaker, Paul the corpse, and George the gravedigger. Other Beatles album covers also contained clues, the caller claimed, and a few Beatles songs contained clues about Paul's death—including some that could only be deciphered when the records were played backwards! Gibb related the rumor of Paul's death on the air, which brought a strong reaction from listeners and the story spread rapidly after that.
The rumor became so widespread that Life magazine sent a crew to Scotland to track Paul down and take a photo of him. Paul had taken refuge from the Beatles' legal battles at his farm in Scotland and he was not at all happy to be confronted by reporters. When the crew from Life magazine appeared on his farm, Paul became angry and doused the photographer with a bucket of water as he took pictures. The reporters quickly left and Paul, realizing that the photos would cast him in a negative light, followed after them. In exchange for the film of his outburst, Paul agreed to let the Life crew do an interview. The resulting article, which went into some detail about the supposed clues to Paul's "death", appeared as the cover story for the November 7, 1969, issue.
About the same time, a fan magazine appeared that reinforced many of the stranger elements of the "Paul is dead" rumor. A sloppy account rushed to newsstands to take advantage of the public fascination with the story, Paul McCartney Dead: The Great Hoax went into some detail in presenting the story of Paul's "death."The story was that Paul McCartney had died in a car accident at 5:00 a.m. on Wednesday, November 9, 1966. Paul McCartney Dead: The Great Hoax suggested that Paul had picked up a female hitchhiker on his way to visit friends. The woman became so excited when she realized who had picked her up that she threw her arms around Paul and caused him to lose control of the car. Both Paul and his passenger were killed when the car swerved off the road and hit a stone fence. And here's where the story takes a turn toward the ludicrous—Paul was decapitated in the accident and the trauma to his head was so severe that even his dental records were useless in identifying the victim! Not wanting to lose potential record sales, record company executives suppressed the story of Paul's death and brought in a lookalike to replace him. For some reason (this is the part where you have to suspend disbelief) the surviving Beatles agreed to go along with this scheme, but they left clues on all of their subsequent albums about Paul's death and the imposter who took his place. Paul's stand-in was a man named William Campbell, who had won a Paul McCartney lookalike contest. With a little plastic surgery, William Campbell had taken Paul's place in photos of the group. The surgery had been successful except for a small scar above his lip. And, as luck would have it, William Campbell could also sing and just happened to be a songwriter with an exceptional ear for pop melodies.
Of course, Paul wasn't really dead, as he explained in a statement accompanying the Life article (and several years later to Chris Farley on "Saturday Night Live"),Paul McCartney and Chris Farley on Saturday Night Livebut that didn't stop fans from poring over the Beatles' albums for "clues" to Paul's untimely demise. Many of the supposed clues to Paul's death are simply vague references to death. Other clues are pictures of the Beatles that show Paul in a manner that is different from the other Beatles in some way, especially involving the colors red (blood) or black (death). Most of the "Paul is dead" clues are simply the product of an obsessive search for significance, but a few are genuinely chilling. The Beatles all denied that they had perpetrated a hoax and insisted that none of the "clues" about Paul's supposed death had any significance whatsoever. According to Ringo, "It's all a load of crap." [1] When asked if he had intentionally placed any of the clues, John denied it in similar terms, "No. That was bullshit, the whole thing was made up."
Yes, the whole "Paul is dead" rumor was absurd, so why did it create such a stir? It may have had something to do with the public's growing awareness that all was not well with the Beatles. It explained why the Beatles had stopped touring (their final concert had been in San Francisco on August 29, 1966), why their music and appearance had changed so dramatically in the late-1960s, and why the Beatles seemed to be drifting apart. In his statement in Life magazine Paul declared that he wanted "to go on making good music. But the Beatles thing is over. It has been exploded by what we have done and partly by other people." Perhaps the antiestablishment sentiment of the time kept the rumor going. The rumor was initially told through alternative media at a time when mistrust for the "establishment" was high among young people. Deciphering the clues made fans feel as though they were in on the joke with the Beatles and, as a Chicago disk jockey put it,"The kids are enjoying the mysterious flavor of the rumor." According to Ralph L. Rosnow and Gary Alan Fine, who wrote Rumor and Gossip: The Social Psychology of Hearsay, the Life article only served to reinforce the belief in an elaborate ruse among those who accepted the conspiracy theory. The article created a "boomerang effect" that actually extended the life of the rumor. The Life article even contributed to the rumor by publishing sonagrams of Paul singing "Hey Jude," which would have been recorded after Paul's death, with Paul's voice from "Yesterday." The magazine quoted Dr. Henry Truby of the University of Miami, who found them to be "suspiciously different." "Could there have been more than one 'McCartney'?", the Life article asked. After Paul appeared on the cover of Life magazine, coverage of the "Paul is dead" rumor declined rapidly. References to it pop up occasionally, but the lie had run its course.
Paul was replaced but the PID clues were designed to keep investigators hung up on this conspiracy aspect and away from the idea that ALL the beatles were replaced around the same time in 1966.
You're wrong in general about the case. But what I will say specifically here is that the Life article contained photos back to only 1967. How convenient. Best wishes.
The issue was that no-one knew for many years what OPP or OPD would mean. Then someone realized that OPP was Ontario Provincial Police. You're right. But as I explained in my coverage of the subject, the main photo used to argue about was the 2nd image used for the Sgt P inner-double-album picture, had the "D" of the doctored image going around the arm, which many people therefore believed was merely a "P" in foreshortened shape. This was what was intended. A tease. (Of course, it was not a P, nor could a P look like a D when it had a long stem on the P, as these do, judge-able by the middle P which was frontal.)
Anyway, another picture they used exists, possibly for an early British release? Or a rare poster? Anyway, it is shown in an older film, reproduced in the Iamaphoney Youtube video "Rotten Apple 47 2" at 0:07 forward for a few seconds.
THAT image had a FULL FRONTAL "OPD" in slightly different embroidery.
They had to have used an OPP patch and altered it physically each time, or done photo manipulation (most likely the latter on the commoner around-the-arm version, since it would be a slight change in that one and not in the full frontal version shown in the rarer image).
I have seen that full-frontal OPD before, but I don't know where it was. Anyway, let THAT debate end. Whatever the reality of Paul's death or not, the damned OPP was changed to an OPD.
Claire - After Jacob's lengthy faux or Faul-dismissal, I removed myself from this thread. I did, though, listen to your 1.4 interview w/ Jim. I am the person Jim referred to near the beginning as a "listener" who indicated that Paul was murdered.
I have studied the Beatles/Paul/Faul issue along with Crowley, JFK, RFK, and so much more for nearly 3 decades now. I would very much like to talk with you as soon as you are available.
Agreed that the Beatles were not a composite band, a near-fake or slapped-together band, totally Tavistock or CIA. Some Laurel Canyon artists were, though, it seems. See davesweb.cnchost.com for an 18-page romp about many of the 60s characters in music and other hangers-on, in his series "Inside the LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the 60s Generation". The 18 pages were on-going research; they are not perfect nor claim to be. However, they contain stunning research into memoirs, news articles, cross-temporal (many decades) and many lines of inquiry. Well worth studying in full and really thinking through.
Absolutely. And any hoi polloi can understand the arguments if they think about them enough. One issue is the teeth. The teeth are so compressed in the original James Paul McCartney that braces would have to be significant and many teeth pulled, or, possibly, as the forensic scientists suggest, he would have needed "reconstructive palatal surgery", which breaks the palate, a very bloody & long-recovery-time surgery even now. Back in the 60s, it was occasionally done, but wld've been even more difficult to recover from, such as over a year. It would have required a head brace. We know he did not have this surgery or major braces and teeth pulled, blood, etc.
The only attempts to debunk rather than ignore the forensics are by: Gary J Anderson (covered below) and various Youtube and forum comment posters, who say the forensic scientists got their photos from PID forums and "so their conclusions are discredited".
So let me handle these things in order.
1. The forensic analyst is a medically trained forensic photoanalyst, who has worked on high-profile Italian and other political cases, among other things. The computer specialist who modeled the findings for further comparisons in 3D is her son, who also works in these fields. They explain how they had a hard time finding good frontal photos of Paul but found 2 which were on PID sites which actually matched frontally and which they found the sources for. They said clearly dated frontal early photos of him are hard to find. They were delighted when it turned out that the kinds of medical points they needed were similarly angled in each. They used these two to model front views for Paul, to which to match others to.
They found that Paul#2 matched himself (post-1967) but never matched the first Paul and were astounded. They also found some photos, particularly obviously the Sgt Peppers inner cover, which had to have been doctored between the two for the doctored photos matched neither in most things and a few proportions of one and the other.
There is nothing wrong in their method of choosing photos, and nor are they flakes, as some have claimed.
2. Gary Anderson wrote "The Walrus Was Paul". He has a Webpage in which he does actually attempt to respond to the forensics. His response was to run the idea by a friend of his who works at the famed "body farm" in the USA. The friend is knowledgeable about his own death-process medical knowledge, of course, but misrepresents the problems in photo forensics. The friend suggests that although it isn't his field, he doesn't believe it's possible to DO photo forensics!
How so? Well, he says, when a skull is "clean", it is impossible to know how much tissue depth would have been on it -- you could be fat or thin, have a birthmark, etc., but never know by the skull. So sculptors working from skulls -- as we know -- cannot say they have the person's look exactly.
Of course this is begging the question of what photo forensics (and our own brains) do to recognize people's heads and faces. In the case of a live person, we forgive a bit of skin change, but judge relative changes and relative set-points. Some set-points change almost not at all, without other changes occurring, or never occur without great emaciation, and even then not by much (say, the temples or the lowest join of nose to upper lip or between the inner and outer eyes relative to each other or to uppermost cheek, etc.). Some cannot be modified by surgery beyond a millimeter or so, or would be so obvious as say, adding a major bulge to a whole area, because those points are themselves unchangeable in isolation: no bone to change them with (the lowest nose join on the skull is an example: there's nothing you can do to raise that point of join, since there's no strong bone to connect a higher nose join to!).
All right, so these forensics experts compared point-to-point with some forgiveness, then those totals to others and others and so on, and then modeled a 3D and 2D version. Then these were compared with the same actions from multiple and individual photos from the later Paul.
The summary of these findings was published in Wired Italia magazine in 2009, and released on the same day or very close thereto, as the Letterman interview of Paul #2, where he talked about PID "at the end of the 60s" (quite a rarity these days for him to talk of it, and the timing seems now like it was a deflection from the brouhaha which might have reached the US from the Wired article). The machine Google translation at plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2010/01/forensic-science-proves-paul-was.html (see the bottom, the article in PDF is on top) is the only translation available on line other than post by "js" at http://invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=print&thread=5735 --- date of post Jul 17, 2009, 9:21am, about 1/2 down the page.
They also wrote a book called: "Codice McCartney. La verità sulla morte di Paul" (Alessandra Gigante, Fabio Andriola). It is available here: http://www.ciao.it/Codice_McCartney_La_verita_sulla_morte_di_Paul_Alessandra_Gigante_Fabio_Andriola__3426643
I hope you enjoyed my broadcast. It was filled with references. There are many others of course, which I could have used, but these should suffice to wake you or a friend up to several things. I don't agree with Total that the band was "Tavistock product" or a "collaborative effort" ... in the way he implies. However, they may have been influenced through cultists and ideologues from Tavistock or elsewhere, as people who were friends of theirs. They also may have been aware of some other bands which WERE more shady in origin. See D-Wil's comment above from January 4, 2012 10:58 AM. He is right about the Indica scene. See also Iamaphoney's movie "TheWingedBeatle" carefully.
Also for USA CIA/Military/Cult activities in music & film in the 50s & onward, read davesweb.cnchost.com "Inside the LC" all 18 pages. Be patient. It's complex and imperfect but very good and interesting.
Anyone interested in the Mal Evans issue must now know the following:
1. However, EVANS' BOOK MANUSCRIPT, NOT HIS DIARIES WAS THE ITEM OF IMPORT LOST AT HIS DEATH. See below the next section for the details on the book.
2. Evans' diaries were published in excerpts some years ago by the Sunday Times.
The only remaining record of what was published which I can find are some excerpts of these excerpts at http://beatlesite.blogspot.com/2009/08/mal-evans-diaries.html (Aside: The original article of May 20, 2003 on the Times' Website is scrubbed now).
Details on the date of publication of the original article and acquiring of the diary were posted at http://board.georgeharrison.com/viewtopic.php?q=board/viewtopic.php&f=3&t=34&p=109861 .
3. So, back to the BOOK MANUSCRIPT:
EVANS' BOOK WAS THE ITEM OF IMPORT, lost after his shooting by Charles Higby in 1976, a suspicious character in the LAPD. (That's another story and set of research. Look him up and find the old articles of his boss complaining about his usurpation of his own role, especially when investigating police corruption -- ha ha, looks like a plant. Also was involved in the Robert Kennedy death cover-up.)
It seems the actual BOOK, "Living the Beatles Legend: The Secret" manuscript by Mal has in fact been found now, or is being finally released by its owner.
Page 146 is purportedly shown in Iamaphoney's movie, "TheWingedBeatle". Here are the details:
In part 5/5, at 10:26 we see the putative cover of the book, inscribed as "RIP". At 10:28 we see a full-page "p. 146" of the book. Parts of the page are blurred, but most of it is readable.
There is a partial close-up at 10:37, which fades in. It includes most of the previous blurred part unblurred.
If you stop to read each time, you'll find hints of Paul's death -- that "Paul" fit right in as if he'd been part of them the whole time. Let me transcribe some of the salient parts:
At 10:32 you can see: Mal kicks out George (Kelly) the housekeeper for Paul's house, forever. Then Mal writes the following (a few names hard to read have "[?]" after, and parts which are outright blurred deliberately by Iamaphoney have "[...]" after):
"The next day Paul arrived. We were all there, Neil, [next name hard to read - ?], John, Ringo, Anita[? unsure], George and Tony. Everybody was excited and stunned. They did a good job in [... -- which must be the name of the hospital/ town in Kenya they went to at the time]. It was really happening. It was like we had known him forever."
The next sentences say, "Brian was afraid. Neil assured him that he could trust Pete [I don't know what Pete is meant here; possibly Pete Best], but he needed a commitment from him. John was paralyzed. Just don't go there, he said. We don't need friggin Pete involved. I don't need to see him again."
You can read the rest of that 10:32 image yourself.
Now go to 10:37 for a clearer close-up of some of it, and some of the previously blurred segment.
Note that at the very fade-in at 10:37, he shows the very bottom section of the now-unblurred section -- Very briefly. This part talks about creating the concept of Sgt Peppers, and says how it was "discussed at the clinic in Kenya" and a new sound "was the kind of thing that could distract from what we were doing."
To Jakob Everardski about http://beatlesnumber9.com/dead.html :
No. The man who called in said later that he had heard it around campus already, so he was not cooking it up. He said he thinks his roommate heard it too from a band which came from London or England, and turned him on to the idea.
We also know that it was late 1969 when this began to be more widely heard of in the USA. But it was already in Feb. 1967 fan-base "Beatles Book" in England where the rumour was first denied. To suggest that was to "boost record sales" would be silly.
But you do have a point: in 1966 though, not importantly in 1969, the Beatles ALSO had disappeared for a month or two. Someone expressing himself as "Paul" for newspapers was suggesting the band might split, or might not.
I think they were indecisive of what to do, and maybe felt if it didn't work they would all sheepishly apologize. But it began to work. Can you imagine the grief AND disgust an intelligent Lennon would have for the fact that few suspected?
Anyway, it was in 1966-67 that the issue was important for the case, not when the rumour made it to the USA in force, which was 3 years after Paul's death.
One of the strangest events surrounding the Beatles was the rumor in 1966 that band member Paul McCartney was dead. Not only was he dead, but was replaced with a double. More amazing was that the band seemed to be putting clues in their music and album covers to leak the truth — although the Beatles always denied any part in promoting the rumor. The most famous elements were contained on the Abbey Road album cover. The four Beatles are shown walking across the pedestrian "zebra crossing" on London's Abbey Road, but there are curious clues. McCartney is in a suit, barefoot and out of step with John Lennon (dressed as a priest), Ringo Starr (dressed as an undertaker), and George Harrison (dressed in work clothes, like a grave digger). A Volkswagen Beetle is parked on the road, with the license plate "LMW281F," implying McCartney would have been 28 "if" he had lived, while LMW supposedly stood for "Linda McCartney Weeps."
In 1969, a Detroit disc jockey named Russ Gibb received a phone call from a listener named Tom, who announced that McCartney was dead, and for clues, to play the Beatles song "Revolution #9" backward. In reverse, the words that are repeated over and over, "number nine, number nine," sort of sound like "turn me on, dead man."The rumors continued to spread and became a worldwide urban legend when a WABC disc jockey in New York rambled on about it on an overnight show that was heard over the clear channel AM station in two-thirds of the U.S. and halfway around the world. Afterward, there wasn't a campus radio station in the country that wasn't running a weekend-long "Paul-a-thon," with listeners calling in their favorite clues as they pored over the albums and fan magazines until their eyes fogged over. Grade-point averages plummeted all over the United States.
Conspiracists pieced together a hodgepodge of lyrics from several albums to create the story. Supposedly, McCartney had a fight with the other members of the band during the recording of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and stormed out of the studio. He hopped into his Austin-Healey at about 5:00 a.m. on November 9, 1966, drove into the dark morning, crashed into a light pole, and was killed. Following the accident, a secret funeral was held, and the news was withheld from the public. A quiet search was quickly made for a McCartney look-alike/sound-alike — named Billy Shears — who finished the recording of Sgt. Pepper. It was Billy Shears who went on to record all subsequent Beatles albums and launch his own band, Wings. Of course, all this started in the creative minds of a small group of college students who went cherry-picking through the lyrics of wildly different Beatles songs to invent the story. Unquestionably, the band was bewildered at first by the story, but John Lennon in particular seemed to enjoy playing along, while never exactly commenting on it openly.
Correction on forensics book -- It is partly by Andriola who is the freelance writer and interviewer who wrote the Wired article and was interviewed on a now-scrubbed TV show about the subject referenced here: http://invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=print&thread=5735 under sub-post "Re: Finally!!!!!!! Post by ilras on May 4, 2010, 1:31pm"
The TV show originally had 30 more minutes aired; voice analysis (of course) was cut for the more widely aired version; the widely aired version on the forensic facial and graphological analyses; then the widely aired cut version was put on Youtube; and now it's got "copyright infringement" scrubbing from Youtube.
Also, though I mentioned PlasticMacca's Google machine translation of the Wired article, and one on this forum page where the TV show is mentioned also, there is a third translation of the Wired article (also on the forum page), and it's better than some: it's at "Re: Finally!!!!!!! Post by jojo on Jul 18, 2009, 10:12am"
Your point is? Of course we know that the typical pages on the issue focus only on the 1969 USA issues. The real issue is that the rumour started much before.
We have:
a) The Beatles Book Feb. 1967 disclaimer.
b) The memory of "Tom" who was interviewed in the early 2000s and said he heard it from his roommate, who had heard it from a London band, and others in the campus were already talking about it: he didn't come up with it.
c) The new interview with Emilio Lari, on the Iamaphoney member site, which you wouldn't know of, since you're not into the case enough to see what people who believe in it are posting in detail.
Lari was the photographer on the movie Help!, and claims he has been harassed by Paul #2, that Paul #2 is scary to deal with, and that he's definitely not the first Paul he came to know well and photograph often.
But yes, there were hodgepodge theories along the way, of course, as people gathered all possible threads. We still don't have all things nailed down. But we do know he's dead.
"Tom"'s 1969 phone call is not "the start" of the issue. Lari says already in 1966 he'd heard in London -- "Seemed like everyone knew," he said. People dismiss these things as being critical to their own lives and only later realize they should speak -- or not, for safety.
Roby Yonge, the DJ who lost his job for not only taking "Tom"'s call in 1969 but particularly for pursuing it with vigour on his next programme, commented later that he'd already suspected Paul was replaced, at least for the event he was at, when he was at Jane Asher's / "Paul"'s engagement party in late 1967. It niggled at him. Like a lot of people, however, in weird situations he didn't know what to make of it personally.
He and others made mistakes in what they believed might be part of the clues. Who wouldn't? It's part of investigations and brainstorming.
I said people dismiss things as being critical to their own lives. I meant to say:
Many people dismiss things as being *NOT* critical to their own lives. Hence, many witnesses don't come forward realizing how important their testimony would be. (Other than witnesses who are killed or afraid to come forward in some cases.)
Lari and Yonge fit the idea of people who heard, knew, or suspected, but only later realized they should, could, or ought to come forward.
Weird how it's only Americans who believe this "Paul is dead" slanderous and vile crock of sh1t. People in the UK and Ireland who grew up with the Beatles view this "Paul is dead" baloney with the disdain and contempt it so richly deserves.
The rumour started in London. Read the posts and stop slagging. I too didn't think it was anything more than people who look into images and think that any connections can be made; it turns out not to be the case, though there were/are some over-credulous people in the field. The reality is bad enough (not just Paul's death but the cultic links of the music industry and Beatles hangers-on), but yes, there have been some odd researchers along the way, as well as, quite legitimately, lines of inquiry pursued which didn't pan out.
The CIA/Mi5-6 hogwash is that there is no cultic conspiracy and that Paul didn't die and that the rumour started in the USA.
Read my posts on Lari's testimony, Yonge's testimony, the Beatles Book "disclaimer" way back in 1967 Feb. (England only, at the time). If anything, the idea was "seeded" by them, but actually it was being denied already, not seeded.
Learn about the forensics and the timeline. Learn about Mal Evans' book (p. 146) as I've transcribed above and linked to.
At first I thought all the PID stuff was BS until I started searching Google and came across the Wired magazine article. My observations: obviously the teeth and mouth of James Paul McCartney (JPM) are visibly smaller than that of the replacement (Faul). JPM's head was smaller and rounder than that of Faul. To my eye it's not even close. I don't have any trouble telling the difference between JPM and the replacement. It's blatantly obvious that the individual on the Sgt. Peppers album cover is not JPM. The whole album cover looks like what it is: The funeral for JPM.
As to that 2009 Letterman interview: Faul obviously has no recollection of being in the Ed Sullivan Theater in 1964. Faul even admits that "people know my history much better than I do." That's because it's not HIS history. Faul is a replacement and a sham and a phony.
I've been searching for the last known time that JPM was seen alive. There is some speculation that he was replaced after the Seattle concerts 8/25/66. Faul is first seen at the LA press conference on 8/28/66 and the San Fran airport 8/29/66. As far as I can tell the last time we saw the real JPM was the Memphis interview 8/19/66. So at some point between 8/19 and 8/28/66 JPM was killed and replaced.
To pull this off there had to be involvement of one or more intelligence agencies. There must have been payoffs and intimidation to shut up everyone who knew. The intelligence community controls the mainstream media so that would explain their silence on this issue for all of these years. The power structure can kill a president in the middle of the street at high noon in a major city, they can nuke buildings in downtown Manhattan and they can kill and replace cultural icons. At some point we need to stand up to these guys and stop this insane ruling class.
Yes, the gist there is what I conclude as well; as to his death date, well, we really don't know exactly. We know he was at the Melody Maker Awards, though it seems that footage was recycled for photos later ... I forget where that argument is made, but Tina Foster of PlasticMacca.blogspot.com has talked of this in a radio interview she did.
I think it's unimportant to pin it down right now; we do have the "I ONE IX HE DIE" image from the original drum-skin gravestone by "Joe Ephgrave" (who doesn't exist, so it's probably Epitaph-Grave) on Sgt P cover.
Aside: this "I ONE IX HE DIE" is not on the CD re-do of the lettering, which totally changed the lettering style, so that it f-cks it up to be "I ONE IX HE BIE".
Anyway, my point was going to be that the original, which was "I ONE IX HE DIE", would be literally 11-9 ... or I suppose at the latest, 1-19 he die.
If he'd died in January as the Beatles Book of Feb. 67 suggested, you could go with the 1-19 date, but again that would be US dating style AND we know Paul was missing and the new guy in Kenya -- if you have any eyes to see the difference in the men -- and Mal moving in with the new Paul in late 66, and Mal's book page talking about the events mentioning firing George Kelly (housekeeper for real Paul) and saying Paul came and Strawberry Fields was started in Nov 66. (This is at the end of "TheWingedBeatle" movie, Mal Evans' purported book typescript flashed in the movie several times at the end.)
So anyway, it all points not to January.
Why am I elaborating on what's NOT the case (i.e., January)? Just to be thorough.
Now to the point:
It was BRITISH dating to put DAY first (which we do here in Canada, too, usually). So that would make it 11 September that the drum-skin refers to. Maybe it also refers to the new Paul's arrival after Kenya, to start his new life as a Beatle.
But the Cultic issue is strengthened if Paul died on Sept 11, 66 (where 9 and 6 are interchangeable for "magic" purposes sometimes), which makes it Sept 11, 1-666.
Plus it fits the timeline best. By November, they were already finished with the Kenya trip initial plastic surgery.
I have to add here: No, that Memphis interview is definitely the original Paul. Exuberant, small, and more triangular of face in structure under the roundness ... it's not really roundness, but it's different than the slightly older (though friendly sometimes) Paul#2. Yes, there's some TV stretch of the image, but this still leaves us the original Paul. The original had large eyes for his face; the second has less so, but a bit buggier from his eyes being more flat with his upper cheekbones, not from overall size in his longer face.
" I have to add here: No, that Memphis interview is definitely the original Paul. Exuberant, small, and more triangular of face in structure under the roundness ... it's not really roundness, but it's different than the slightly older (though friendly sometimes) Paul#2. Yes, there's some TV stretch of the image, but this still leaves us the original Paul. The original had large eyes for his face; the second has less so, but a bit buggier from his eyes being more flat with his upper cheekbones, not from overall size in his longer face. "
Is this your idea of what biometric face recognition is all about? " it's not really roundness "!! Just guess work and school girlish prattle?
"it's not really roundness, but it's different than the slightly older (though friendly sometimes)" " The original had large eyes for his face; the second has less so, but a bit buggier from his eyes being more flat with his upper cheekbones, not from overall size in his longer face."
This is laughable drivel and babble!
"Until then, you're ill informed."
You've been misinformed and ill-informed for a long, long, long time!! Isn't it time you wised up?
Instead of posting your drivel, please present some evidence that backs your position. I have sited a forensic scientist who determined that James Paul McCartney and Faul are not the same man. The real Paul McCartney would have had to have undergone reconstructive palatal surgery, which breaks the palate, in order to match Faul. He wouldn't have been able to sing or perform for a year if he had undergone such surgery so it obviously didn't happen. See if you can find photographs of the pre 1966 McCartney that match the post 1966 McCartney. Won't won't be able to so please crawl back under your rock.
Melody Maker - I have read that JPM attended it but I have yet to see a photograph that was dated showing JPM at the event. What day did MM actually take place? I have read that Melody Maker was taped and broadcast later. So I would want to know what day it took place and was it JPM or Faul who attended.
I ONE IX HE DIE - If that is true then I believe the date they are referring to is 9/11/66. The 60IF document states that JPM was kidnapped and they did not find the body for sometime. Perhaps he disappeared on or around 8/25/66 and the body was recovered on 9/11/66. That was the day that "Brian Epstein" (he was replaced too) announced that the Beatles would not tour again. The thought here is that once they knew for sure Paul was dead that there was no way they would try to pull off a tour. If Paul would have turned up alive it may have been a different story.
The main reason that I want to determine the date of his death is to find out where he was killed. If it was August then he was killed here in the US. If it was September then it was England. 60IF states that he was kidnapped by KKK members. It's unlikely that the KKK would fly to England to kidnap and kill McCartney and Epstein. 60IF makes more sense if it happened in the US.
Physical facts- he grew 2 inches taller, his feet got bigger, changed his eye color, ear and head shape, his natural hair part swithced sides,
observations- Faul plays more piano, pre 66 PJM hardly ever looked at his right hand when playing guitar or bass Sir Faul can't take his eyes of his right hand. There is an obvious drop in quality after 1966, i think yesterday is one of the most covered songs of all time- who covers Sir Faul's songs?
I'm interested in Total's speculation about ghost writers, George was found guilty of 'unconscious' plagarism which got me thinking- why did leon russell cover 'beware of darkness' so soon after george's version? Maybe he wrote it, leon, like elton was a Pro
IMO The MIND that wrote Yesterday, Michelle, Here There and Everywhere would NOT refer to them as 'silly love songs'
No, silly. Read my post of and the full translation of the forensic summary. I understand it. I was simply describing in common terms what we see.
The second Paul tried to mimic some of the movements of the first Paul who, when he is most subdued, succeeded in some mimicry of the first Paul. But the egregious differences, even when subtle, betray acting. And the faces are different -- but sometimes we get similarities, of course: one reason is that when one is relaxing the other looks like him a bit in another position; the mind can conflate the two different reasons for a "longer" or "shorter" aspect and think of a conflated image which is neither-nor but feels like both at the same time, but was physically impossible.
Your vitriol is unfounded, but I forgive you. I see it all the time.
Yes, I know the points you're raising. I was only pointing out that that interview is the original.
I think we don't know for sure the date he died or was found, beyond the drum-skin claim. There is, as I mentioned from Tina Foster's interview, some indication he was or wasn't at a certain place in late August. I forgot the exact debate (others, such as TF, are more conversant on that particular issue than I at this point).
The only honest position is to:
a) recognize that we don't know if the 60F document is legitimate
b) recognize that there HAVE been changes to the Beatles on-line sites specifically in the area of Paul's last days/appearances. There are posts on forums over the past 8 years, concurrent to changes made on Beatles sites about Paul's last days timeline. One sees frustration of researchers in noticing the changes to the timelines going on when they posted. Such changes were co-ordinated with their pointing out problems. This smacks of the same thing that occurred in the JFK death case, or 9/11 case, when changed documents were released or new documents (or images) were released with unmatching aspects compared to already-public items, because researchers had pointed out problems in the already-public items: something fixed in a new release had new problems because perps couldn't get everything new to match up.
In Paul's death, we can note that he may have been missing a few days or a week, or he may just not have been in front of a public camera (nor was John at this period), and then something happened. We just don't honestly know at this point.
I've heard, but never seen proof, of Epstein's announcement's having been on Sept 11. Iamaphoney claims it, too. This date was one of the issues the forums were discussing and which is now seemingly not present on line anymore on official timelines accurately or at all (they often say only that "late in 1966" Epstein made the announcement).
As to Epstein's replacement as well: I highly doubt it. I have never seen any proof of that which satisfies me. People have proposed all sorts of things (on the forums) -- which are used to "discredit" them and Paul's death.
We DO know, to be honest, of people's recent doubles -- Saddam springs to mind -- being killed in their place, but fulfilling a role until their own murder is expedient (or their "airlifting", such as if the man who doubled for Saddam wasn't killed, but I bet he was, and had been lied to until then, that they'd let him live, but that's just a hunch on my part).
We also know of doubling in the public eye through video releases and press releases (now also voice doubling) for Osama bin Laden.
Something comparable could have been done to Eppy after he came up with or agreed to TRY to replace Paul in late 1966, which would have been a long shot, I think, in his and others' minds. Not that no-one had ever been doubled before, but I think it was more of a gamble here.
But as I said, I have never seen any good reasoning about Eppy's own replacement. If you have something you think is fairly well reasoned about it, let me know. I haven't found the reasoning I've seen convincing.
Doris Day and BB King I do think might have been ... not just for the public but for their families' convenience (in Day's case). Certainly the BB King case is a rich one: there was a fire, there was a change in guitar styles and loss ... it was very interesting.
John Lennon sings: "CIA, FBI, BBC, BB King, Doris Day, Matt Busby". But this could as easily be about machinations by the CIA/FBI/Media (incl. BBC)/Mi5-6 around these people and others, as about replacements literally.
I think we really don't know properly about these cases. BB King maybe. I think that one is possible -- if you know the strange details about that weird period in BB King's life/lives.
'why wold the Asher family go along with the fraud?"
Maybe Margaet Asher had an uncredited hand in the writing of those big Paul ballads.
-Paul lived in her house for two years! - she was a pofessional musician and teacher (she taught George Martin the oboe) -her son covered some of the songs I assume she was Paul's informal teacher but perhaps there is more to the story.
IF she was involved in the writing of songs she may have been compensated off the record or in kind - perhaps giving her son a career
'jane, just pretend this tall guy is Paul and your family will continue to get paid, if you refuse, the Paul estate goes to his dad'
Yes, I covered the comp. in sizes, the best sources. And though I didn't get to the natural hair-part side, you're right.
The rest is true, too. It's not absolute on its own, but it is part of the case, must be accounted for, and fits better with the death of Paul than otherwise. We know for sure, however, through the physical changes, though, and the desperation of the "clues".
Everyone should go to Magical Mystery Tour (movie) and watch the Aunt's dream of "food" where the 2-dead-body composite photo image fades in, again compositely over the Aunt's own moving image. Then see the restaurant horror scene after, and what it implies (says) symbolically about the situation they found themselves in.
Anyone who takes the rarity (i.e., never) of showing a dead body in Beatles materials (other than, again, linking it to Paul's death, in the montage of Cream of the Beatles during the "A Day in the Life" segment, produced by Apple but that's often not noticed), should notice the specialness of this MMT death image -- grizzly though somewhat obscured. Its specialness indicates it may indeed be Paul. It also looks like him somewhat.
As to the Cream of the Beatles montage for A Day in the Life:
The link to a dead Paul in THAT film is not that his dead body is shown there, nor is it necessarily the song itself (it may be or not; it's usually stated that it's about Tara Browne, though Paul # 2 denied that, while Lennon claimed so). Rather, it is that there are two images OF Paul which flash: one of the Paul is Dead rumour (from a newspaper), and one of Paul sleeping or pulled from a pool at some point, when he'd nearly drowned, I think I read somewhere. But the point is: Paul is directly linked to deathlike imagery and the death rumour, and DURING the song for the film where the montage shows lots of other very definitely dead people.
But the only other image of a dead man in Beatles films -- and Cream of the Beatles is someone else's doing, as well as Apple's, as I mentioned -- is this double-dead man in MMT.
You could also count the more symbolic dead man in an MMT segment (again). The segment is the end of Blue Jay Way. A man with head not showing (cut off) and sparks flying out of his neck and fire raging in a corner of the image, lies rather blueish like a body on a slab. He has "Magical Mystery Boy" written, as if carved, on his chest. This could be Paul as cultic sacrifice represented or simply tribute after the fact of Paul's death. This guy though is not actually dead, it seems.
Loyalty is the most likely for all of these people. There was intense loyalty to these guys and their success. There was also grief and shock, and maybe eventually resignation in personal terms.
Money is part of it also, but never fully buys complicity of several people.
There is also the cultic overtone: there may have been some fear.
We don't know exactly how each of the players managed their own reactions to this, but that they did somehow is required by the thesis. And it's not impossible; Peter Asher later said, "Yes, I've known both of them" (Pauls, that is), as if he was joking, but it may well have been one of those sneaky admissions people do when they can. Jane refuses to speak of that episode of her life entirely; that's one way of handling it personally.
Mal says in the only book manuscript page of his we have, p. 146, shown at the end of TheWingedBeatle by Iamaphoney Pete Best wasn't brought in on it. And I think PB wouldn't have been noticing or watching or believing such a thing, which blocks the mins.
See my post above about the Mal book vs diary issue.
To Don: sorry, I misread. I thought you were saying the Memphis interview was Faul. You were saying the LA Press Conference was Faul. No, it's still Paul. He's got that nervous thing with his lip and is more triangular of cheek to chin. It's Pauly. Faul was first involved after the death it seems, from the page by Mal (putatively) at the end of TheWingedBeatle, which looks like a genuine old page, has Mal's style, and is rather fascinating.
If Paul McCartney is dead, then show us his death certificate.Where is he buried? Do you really think that if Paul had really died John, George and Ringo would have allowed Paul to be buried secretly in an unknown and unmarked grave or his body disposed of like a a piece of garbage? Thrown into the ground like a dog and forgotten. Do you really think the People of Britain, Ireland and the indeed the world would have allowed such a crime to happen? If you think the English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish people and indeed the people of the world would have permitted such a thing then you are crazier than anyone can guess.If Paul McCartney is dead, show us his death certificate. Where is he buried? If Paul was cremated, then where is his urn? Show us his death certificate. Tell us where Paul McCartney's body is buried that we may visit his grave. Shakespeare has a grave. Where is Paul's?
" I have sited a forensic scientist who determined that James Paul McCartney and Faul are not the same man. "
Okay , you have cited a forensic scientist. So what?
P.S. How about you spend some time learning how to spell simple English words? You don't need a forensic scientist! You need an English language teacher!!
" The second Paul tried to mimic some of the movements of the first Paul who, when he is most subdued, succeeded in some mimicry of the first Paul. But the egregious differences, even when subtle, betray acting. And the faces are different -- but sometimes we get similarities, of course: one reason is that when one is relaxing the other looks like him a bit in another position; the mind can conflate the two different reasons for a "longer" or "shorter" aspect and think of a conflated image which is neither-nor but feels like both at the same time, but was physically impossible."
This is all your opinion!! Pure speculation and surmise. Unfounded hypothesis! It's all in your mind!!
"....the mind can conflate the two different reasons for a "longer" or "shorter" aspect and think of a conflated image which is neither-nor but feels like both at the same time, but was physically impossible."
These Pidders are all strong on dubious videos but very weak on the paper work.
When was Paul McCartney declared dead and who declared him dead? A doctor? A surgeon? When was the autopsy (post mortem) carried out? Who carried it out? What was/were the cause/s of death? Who signed the death certificate? When was he buried? Paul was a Catholic - a non-practicing Catholic. His mother was a Catholic and father a Protestant turned agnostic. It is very unlikely Paul was cremated. When was the inquest held? What was the name of the coroner presiding over the inquest? Was the death announced - as is usual in the local papers? Who attended the funeral? John, Ringo, George? Family? Of course. Friends? Relations? Was the funeral private? Note private does not mean secret. Where is Paul buried?
all the clues were deliberate - meant to bring exposure and slap on the wrist for the hoax but the imposter was so good the death was rejected by the fans
when the fans missed the clues, the band hit them over the head with the exposure in 69
Try to keep up with the action here buddy! I'll go a little slower so you can understand.. Paul McCartney was killed by the intelligence community. It's called a Black Operation or Black Op. In a Black Op standard procedures are not followed. See the 9/11 operation or JFK assassination. That's why there is no public funeral or autopsy etc. They have the power to cover up deaths.
Just because there is no death certificate etc. doesn't mean that Paul is still alive. What you have to do is evaluate the evidence that is there: photographs and videos. This evidence proves that Paul McCartney was replaced. The system isn't going to suddenly come to its senses one day and admit all of this. It's up to us to demand justice.
Jim Fetzer is a great interviewer. Sometimes he grills the people he's interviewing. Who are they? Where do they come from? Where have they been? What is their background. What are their qualifications. Their credentials. Who do they know. Who don't they know. And that's BEFORE he really begins the "real" interview. Sometimes Jim doesn't grill. He TOASTS. Don't get me wrong. It's all very leisurely BUT it's f***ing LETHAL! Sometimes Jim's like a hatchet man on speed and I hope he's in top form when this PID poppycock comes down the f***ing pike.
Now THAT is one well though out and reasoned scientific argument my friend. I now see the error of my ways! It's now plain as day that the Paul McCartney on the Yesterday and Today album cover looks the same as the Paul McCartney on the Sgt. Pepper's Album!
Except that he's 2 inches taller and the shape of his head has changed.
At first I thought that was the real Paul at the LA press conference too. But after reading Sun King's post and watching the press conference a few times I don't think it is the real Paul. Before the press conference starts you can see him standing next to the others and he looks taller like Faul. His voice also sound deeper than at the Memphis interview. At the airport there is no doubt it was Faul.
He's in his subdued mood. He could be very "politic" but understatedly aggressive with stupid reporters. But he still has not just a smile (Paul#2 sometimes smiles genuinely too), but a liveliness and funny mouth movement. Yes, he's his subdued self -- the one that Paul#2 mimics the best -- but it's the real deal subdued, not the copyist.
I agree with Don re LA. I was fooled at first- It's a brilliant impersonation of Paul. IMO Lennon looks very nervous at the sart- his right leg wont stop moving, then he swivels in his chair, then he relaxes. But comare it to this-
To George Marshall who called me crazy, and to Don who was "insulted" as well:
It's amazing how this issue has polarized so many -- not all -- people here, more than other issues, some of them less well argued (even when partly true), and some of them not as definitely true. Ha!
George, you must understand the forensics and the voice analyses, the photo comps (particularly good is the comp with Mal because in both the first and 2nd, the hips are lined up in space, so you can do a height and proportion comparison properly, over their whole bodies with Mal as the control test). The test is here: http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2009/09/mal-evans-suspicious-death.html
Besides this, you must weigh in the timeline, the comments (yes, from George as well, that there was something which changed -- and his eyes darted -- in 1966, which might be India but could also be Paul's death). You have to consider Emilio Lari's testimony now that Paul died. And also Yonge's eyewitness impression from 1967. You know nothing yet if you don't try to go through the evidence! Just read the posts above with patience once. (I can tell you didn't; that's obvious.)
And you better familiarize yourself with forensics, especially on the teeth.
If this carefully sifted evidence makes me a "crazy", then I'm happy to be one, just as if Fetzer's points about the Zapruder film and X-rays makes him a "crazy", then he's happy to be one.
Get informed. I have posted information above on the forensics and outlined the arguments. I have also posted about Mal's book (as opposed to his diary).
:P
And to Don: thanks for trying to wake these people up too. (But the interviews of Paul until late 1966 are the real Paul. I know why you have your doubts, but he's got his special smile and his subtler, more controlled emotions, lower -- slightly aggressive -- politic voice, which Paul#2 was best at mimicking rather than the other moods of Paul.)
No, it's the same Paul. If you watch Paulie being particularly subdued, which was rarer in earlier interviews, you catch these movements and tones of voice. They are the ones Paul#2 was BEST at imitating later; but then, his face and mannerisms are wrong sometimes, so you can tell it's the new Paul. They overlap in mannerism at times -- this is one time where Paulie comes closest to the best acting of Paul#2.
Watch Paulie smile and light his cigarette. Watch his barely concealed smile. He's not a poseur. The other man has friendliness at times, and feelings, but he's basically more a poseur when trying to smile "like" Paul's manner. And when he first came on the scene, he was much more different than even later (with more surgery); and then age made changes as well so we all "forgave" those differences.
So anyway, in mid-late 1966 Paulie was quite different than the few early interviews with a nervous and longer-faced Paul#2, in very late 1966 and early 1967.
Anyway, glad Don and Jo get it overall. :) I had a hard time thinking about this issue, and there's nonsense in some of the research on it, but yah, there is a fifth Beatle. I actually don't hate him. I DO however hate the mix of Crowley in with more positive "religious paganism" in the circles around the B's and Paul#2.
GM might do to remember that "habeas corpus" was specifically necessary only when there was a body to be shown, and no forensic and circumstantial evidence. GM might also do to remember what Lifton's contribution -- and later Horne's and Mantik's: that we DON'T HAVE A BODY in the usual "BEST EVIDENCE" sense. We don't have a "VISUAL RECORD" either, in the usual sense. We have TAMPERED evidence.
In the case of Paul's death: we have actually suggestive hints of such things as DNA problems and graphological problems, but most of the evidence is withheld: he was asked by the public to submit his fingerprints but like Obama refused. It doesn't prove he wasn't the same, or was. But it leaves the case open. His passport has never been released. His paternity suits have all claimed in some astonishment (not knowing of PID issues, I'm sure) that the man submitted "an imposter's" blood and writing samples. This would not be a necessary interpretation, of course, if he was not Paulie.
But the point is: we HAVE the body in photographs. The Mal comp I already posted for you is good enough, as is the photo forensic facial comp work (if you understand how they did it and what they looked for, you will know, even as a hoi polloi person like the rest of us, that it is "juryable" evidence). :)
The teeth issue is damning on its own.
So we have a "corpus". Get informed. Read about it. I've sifted it for you and put up the posts (above). READ.
As to forensics, since I've read your resistance position now even higher up in this thread, I will say:
READ THE FORENSICS AND UNDERSTAND THEM OR **YOU** ARE NOT DEALING WITH **WHAT WE DO HAVE** which is quite a lot, without having the dead body.
The whole reason for developing forensic science was WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE DEAD BODY. They had tests of some things which were physical items ... but no dead body. The first case to be won this way was the case against Sweeney Todd, in fact! And it's also what Lifton is really arguing about the JFK case: have a body but it's not "best evidence" on its own anymore.
Now, if that makes me "crazy", sign me up. I am far more patient and intelligent than you seem to think currently.
The info on the forensics is posted above, with links. The info on Mal's book and diary is posted above, also with links and transcription and care. The info on Emilio Lari's testimony and Yonge's, with references and comments are posted. (But unless you're a member of the Iamaphoney member site, you can't hear the whole interview with Lari.) And the voice comp information you can look up yourself. There are some good pages on that scattered around, one of them at PlasticMacca.
Not all work on the subject is good; not all of it is correct (even when it was a good attempt). But there is good work out there.
Good luck in understanding your world more patiently and properly, including what "habeas corpus" meant vs. what it means now: a proper body of evidence about what the facts of the case are.
GM seems to think that if you don't have a body, you don't have a murder. And if the paperwork was hidden, you don't have an event.
What drivel.
You can't argue it happened merely from the fact there's no evidence of dead body (except that image in MMT I found), and no paperwork: that would be arguing from the lack of evidence in those fields.
But you can say a) it could have happened, and then b) find the evidence you have, the positive proof of a NEW, and LIVE body: Paul#2.
If GM can't think that through and understand that the forensics are quite real (on the new Paul compared to the old), and a few researchers getting the double and the original a bit confused because of mannerisms in a video, then he doesn't understand evidence. I'd hate to have him on any jury where it was a complex case until he
To suggest that the education provided by a British Secondary School* or High School* or Grammar School in the late 1950s or mid 1960s was equivalent to a Bachelor's degree is arrant nonsense. The British (Scottish, Welsh and Irish (Northern Ireland)) education systems at that time started at seven years of age with the Primary School where the
ReplyDeletepupil spent four years learning how to read and write and also how to count - arithmetic. At the age of eleven the pupil could either go on directly to secondary School or High School or if he or she wished and was particularly bright he or she could sit the "11 plus" (an exam at the age of eleven) at
the end of the Primary school years whereby he or she could go to the Grammar School where they were taught history, English language and literature, science (biology, chemistry and physics) art, foreign languages
- usually French and Latin, home economics and other subjects. On completion of his or her Grammar School education at the age of sixteen years the student would sit exams ( 'O' Levels) in all his or her subjects. After two years at the age of eighteen the pupil would sit more exams in two or three subjects ( 'A' Levels)and depending on the results could go on to university and study for either three or four years and obtain a degree (in the subject of his or her
choice) either a Bachelor of Arts (BA), (In a foreign language or history etc., etc. BA Hons or a B.Sc (in a science subject)). If the pupil did not sit the " 11 plus" or did sit it and did not pass he or she could go to the Secondary School where the student would also study some of the subjects of the Grammar School but could also study wood-work, metal-work and other less "academic" subjects or some other subject which would equip the student for a career perhaps as an electrician etc., etc. Many pupils could also go to Technical college or Tech as it was called which again provided an even more hands on and less academic education than that provided by the Secondary
School, High School or Grammar School. All pupils at either the Secondary School, High School, Grammar School or Technical College could simply choose to leave the education system at the age of sixteen after they had sat 'O' Level exams if they wished as long as he or she had fulfilled the legal age
requirement for their education.
There is no essential difference between a Secondary School or a High School - both offered a less academic and more practical education. The Technical College was designed to provide the student with a career on completion of his or her studies. John Lennon for example went to Dovedale Primary School
and then to Quarry Bank Grammar School. The High School in John Lennon's time in Liverpool was called the Rose Lane Secondary Modern School. The Quarry Bank Grammar School merged in 1967 with the Calder Grammar School. He then went to the Liverpool College of Art. Confusion arises in that Secondary School and High School are interchangeable and in that, although a High School and Grammar School are not the same, a Grammar school can be referred to as "a high school".
The essential difference between a Grammar School and a High School or Secondary School is that a High School or Secondary School does not select pupils on the basis of their academic ability whereas a Grammar School does.
There is no doubt that the real Paul McCartney died and was replaced. Gabriella Carlesi, an Italian forensic scientist examined photos of pre and post 1966 Paul McCartney and concluded that he did indeed die in late 1966 and was replaced by a double. If you look at the photos it’s pretty obvious that they are not the same person. I went to YouTube and found some old interviews. Check out this David Frost interview from 1965 with the real Paul McCartney and compare it to this 1967 Faul interview. The Beatles never played another concert after McCartney was replaced except for the rooftop concert in 1969. Compare that to the real Paul McCartney live at Shea Stadium in 1965. It's not even close.
ReplyDeleteThe videos posted didn't make me believe there were two Paul's. And the speaking style in the two interviews was exactly the same.
ReplyDeleteJim-
ReplyDeleteIt is said that the Beatles were a creation of the Tavistock Institute and there is much "Total" misses about Paul/Faul. It was the McCartney replacement, Faul, who began the Indica newspaper and art studio. Indica was where John, "accidentally" met Yoko, whose art was on display at Indica. If you can find Indica papers, you will also find that Faul was deeply into Aleister Crowley's magickal system., hence Crowley being featured twice, if not three times on Sgt. Pepper's. In one pf the Indica papers there is a lengthy interview with Faul and Burroughs where they discuss, at length, backward masking and backward speaking, which is ubiquitous in later Beatles albums. In a later interview with Faul, long after the Beatles demise, Faul even talks about being the head of the London "scene" and not John.
Along with the different facial features between Faul and Paul, Faul was taller and much broader-shouldered than was Paul. The height difference can be readily seen on Sgt. Pepper's as well as on Abbey Road.
On Paul's death: Paul was said to have been seen in the French countryside, disoriented. A few days after this report from a woman, Paul was allegedly found, thrown from a plane in France, his legs so crushed they were in his chest. His face was completely disfigured, which was where the "walrus" mention was supposed to be first made; an emergency responder to the death scene reportedly said to John of Paul (John and Ringo, I believe, were flown to the death scene to identify Paul), whose teeth were poked out from his cheeks, "He looks like a walrus." John was said to have freaked out...
There is much, much more information, if you'd like to know.
Also, Evan's diaries have been found and are supposed to be published is some form, either through a movie, or in book form, in 2012
ReplyDeletehttp://beatlesnumber9.com/dead.html
ReplyDeleteFrom my understanding, this all started with a phone call to a radio station from a college man who said he deduced from clues on Beatle albums that Paul was dead. For whatever reasons this rumor spread like wild fire. It certainly didn't hurt Beatles sales, and The Beatles didn't say much about
the whole thing. John said it was crazy, Paul's first comment actually fanned the rumor. He said, "If I were dead I'd be the last to know." (I think that's a Mark Twain quote). But anyway, besides the fact that The
Beatles had not been in the public eye much at the time, and Paul was quietly at work producing Mary Hopkins, and the press was desperate for a Beatles story, I still think there's more here than meets the eye.
Here is what was supposed to have happened: The story was that Paul McCartney had died in a car accident at 5:00 a.m. on Wednesday, November 9, 1966. 'Paul McCartney Dead: The Great Hoax' suggested that Paul had picked
ReplyDeleteup a female hitchhiker on his way to visit friends. The woman became so excited when she realized who had picked her up that she threw her arms around Paul and caused him to lose control of the car. Both Paul and his
passenger were killed when the car swerved off the road and hit a stone fence. And here's where the story takes a turn toward the ludicrous—Paul was decapitated in the accident and the trauma to his head was so severe that even his dental records were useless in identifying the victim! Not wanting to lose potential record sales, record company executives suppressed the
story of Paul's death and brought in a lookalike to replace him. For some
reason (this is the part where you have to suspend disbelief) the surviving Beatles agreed to go along with this scheme, but they left clues on all of their subsequent albums about Paul's death and the imposter who took his place. Paul's stand-in was a man named William Campbell, who had won a Paul
McCartney look-alike contest. With a little plastic surgery, William Campbell had taken Paul's place in photos of the group. The surgery had been successful except for a small scar above his lip. And, as luck would have it, William Campbell could also sing and just happened to be a songwriter
with an exceptional ear for pop melodies.
The Beatles all denied that they had perpetrated a hoax and insisted that
ReplyDeletenone of the "clues" about Paul's supposed death had any significance whatsoever. I'm inclined to believe them, and lean toward unintentional "clues." Especially now, knowing all the hard times the group was going through that lead to their demise.I think a riff started with Paul's mega hit Yesterday, coupled with John's statement about being bigger than Jesus. John was a very insecure man, and he really did resent Paul being the cute one, and was jealous of Paul's success's. There was friendship, yes, but there was also an extremely strong state of competition between the two. Turns out this was great for song writing, but in the beginning they were a team, a 50 50 songwriting team. They'd sit across from each other and write songs together. This later turned into writing separately from each other and trying to one up the other. We know now that this style of writing is doomed, it can't keep going. One has to lose, one wins. Paul was winning. He wrote more songs and had more number 1 hits than John. Remember, John was by nature very insecure, and his lack of self confidence was fulfilled at the time by the fans.
But Paul also suffered from a very human character defect. He had a huge ego, and it showed. It wasn't beneath him to rub it in when things were going great for him. In the beginning John was considered the leader. Slowly Paul was taking over, and then rapidly after Brian died. The other three
ReplyDeleteresented Paul. A serious clash was brewing. Paul was looking for approval for his amazing talent as were the others, but they weren't getting it from each other. It didn't matter that the whole world loved them, their world
was much smaller and consisted of mostly each other.John's statement that The Beatles were bigger than Jesus was made to a friend/journalist and printed in the British press months before without any noise, but when it was picked up in America (the holy land of Gawd), John was receiving death threats and was 'extremely' paranoid about being shot. A concert in Alabama was actively protested by the KKK, while kids in the bible belt burned Beatles records and books with the blessing of the holy DJs. And, though they stood side by side with John in front of the cameras while John defended himself, the other three were actually very resentful
toward John. Touring was eventually stopped and music was made in the studio. The public was not getting their Beatles fixes frequently enough. (Most importantly, John's ego was being dissolved by huge intakes of LSD, and it fell on Paul to hold the group together through this phase).
Now back to the Paul is Dead clues. I think this was mostly a result of Paul's ego. He began to try to stand out from the others. He wore a different color carnation in the now famous Magical Mystery Tour sequence.
ReplyDeleteHis later comment that they ran out of the red ones is possible, but absurd.
Ask a florist how difficult it is to mutate a black carnation. He turned his back to the camera on the back of the cover of Sgt Pepper, as if he was the maestro conducting the other three. His face on the 8 x 10 glossies that came with The White album was huge. They were supposed to be 4 portraits of
each Beatle. His was so close up you could count his nose hairs. Was all this intentional? Probably not all of it, but does it really matter? Being the only shoe-less one out of step on Abbey Rd might have been an accident, but it speaks volumes about Paul and the others. And some of it must have
been on purpose. Paul is smoking a cigarette, also known as a "coffin nail".
He is holding the cigarette in his right hand, even though the real Paul McCartney was left handed. Was Paul's way of hinting to the world that he was the main Beatle being misunderstood as Paul was the dead Beatle? Hmmm...
There are a few weird things that leads me to believe that John had a bit of fun with it, after the fact. Just before Blackbird on The White album, if you play John's mumbling backwards, it sure sounds like, "Paul is a dead man, Paul is a dead man, miss him, miss him, miss him." But Number 9 backwards sounds a like 'turn me on dead man' just because that's what number 9 backwards sounds like. I think John's only intention when making
ReplyDeleteRevolution 9 was to make an avant garde recording. Oh, at the time, many believed everything was placed there by the Beatles with the intent to let you know Paul was dead (ask any fan from that time), and one could search and find anything one wanted to believe, and Revolution Number 9 was the
most used example. Other White Album clues were "Don't Pass Me By", where Ringo expresses his regret at the tragic turn of events after Paul's angry departure from the studio one evening: "I listen for your footsteps coming up the drive/I listen for your footsteps but they don't arrive." George
moans "Paul, Paul" at the end of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." It all
really got out of hand. I had a great time of it. Lots of bizarre coincidences. I wish I could have wrote this article then, when I was full of enthusiasm about it all. The hand over Paul's head, Paul sitting behind a
sign that said "I WAS," Revolution Number 9 backwards, 28IF on the 'Beetle' Volkswagen on Abbey Rd meant Paul would have been 28 IF he had lived. The major problem with that is he would have been 27, but not to worry. In some
Indian culture somewhere they count the 9 months in the womb as your first
year, so it all made sense (sarcasm). John was the minister, Ringo the
undertaker, Paul the corpse, and George the gravedigger.
The OPD badge that was given to him by the Ontario Police Dept suddenly meant officially pronounced dead. Lennon's inspiration from The Walrus and the Carpenter was replaced with the belief that the walrus was a death
ReplyDeletesymbol in Greenland or something. Ha, again. Most clues were a real stretch. John's 'cranberry sauce' at the end of Strawberry Fields at the time was heard as 'I buried Paul.' And it went on and on. I hope you find one of the better web sites that goes into some of the clues. No one could cover them
all.It was a cool event to live through, and it's a big part of Beatles history. I don't want to attempt to start listing all the clues because of my perfectionism streak. I know I can't list them all so I won't even try. Besides, to me it's more interesting to decipher the psychological dynamics
that were at work among the Beatles that resulted in such weird deductions from fans. It wasn't the clues and sounds and pictures so much as the personalities behind the art.
If looked at with a sensible attitude rather than the belief that The Beatles actually inserted codes into their work to hint to fans that Paul had died, I think you can tell a lot about the group. It's too bad really,
that two best friends could become such bitter enemies while singing songs
like All You Need is Love. What a mess things had become. Perhaps Paul died as a Beatle? Well, they all did didn't they? But maybe if died first? Paul became very depressed over that break up, though he's the one who instigated the lawsuit to dissolve the group. If only he'd waited. If only this, if
only that. I happen to be looking at the Let It Be cover right now. Isn't it
odd that Paul is looking straight ahead while the others are looking to left. Almost looking away from Paul. But just look at them. Lennon and McCartney's 'lovers spat' completely overshadowing George's talent. Ringo, well he was just happy to be the Beatles drummer. They all forget something
vitally important that Brian Epstein told them about the survival of the group. He told them that they were each 25% of the whole. No one can be the Beatles without the other three. And maybe, just maybe, Paul was the first to forget this, and by doing so died as a Beatle. All rumors are based on some facts. And it seems to me, though I've only slightly touched on the subject, that this is what happened. At least in part.
And now, the world is rediscovering The Beatles. Not the break up or the fighting, but the four lads that were friends and belonged in a band together. We remember when we all lived in a yellow submarine,
ReplyDeletewere all together now, and all you needed was love. And those four guys put their life's into that dream and gave it to the world. That light will never dim. For those that came here to find out about the Paul is dead thing, I'm sorry if I've disappointed you. John is dead. George is dead. Ringo still
plays drums in his unique and amazing way. Paul is working his butt off
doing many things, seemingly revitalized by a new young wife. His pop music
still misses that Lennon edge, Harrison guitar, and Ringo back beat.Even Paul had some fun with it on his 'Paul is Live' album. The cover of Paul Is Live shows him with his dog on the famous Abbey Road crosswalk—hardly a funeral procession. In the background of the album cover photo is a Volkswagen Beetle with the license plate reading "51 IS". Rather than being dead in his twenties, Paul is still alive and making music.
http://beatlesnumber9.com/dead.html
Jakob-
ReplyDeleteI won't bother with going into a lengthy explanation of why you are wrong. Enough information exists for you to find out on your own. However, one tidbit is illustrative of just how off base you are on the Faul/Paul issue: there is no such thing as the Ontario Police Department. It is the Ontario Provincial Police. Their badges Have the letters "O.P.P." on them.
This is simply a fascinating subject, I can't wait to hear Claire's perspective!
ReplyDeleteAlthough I haven't looked into this subject in any detail, besides listening to this podcast and reading the comments, I tend to agree with Total and others here that Paul was replaced.
D-Wil, could you provide us with a few sources?
i thought that i would right about some of the problems i have with "totalinfo's" theories
ReplyDelete1. early instrument replacement
all the beatles music up until "I Want to Hold Your Hand" were recorded on 2 tracks machines with the instruments recorded live together onto one track of tape,
there would be know possible way to remove any instrument such as Ringo's Drums or John's guitar and replace it with someone else.
there is no evidence that any one other than The Beatles, Pete Best, Andy White or George Martin played on any of the records up until "Yesterday"
even when they moved up to 4-track machines the majoriy of songs (up until Paperback Writer) were recorded with the basic tracks drums bass and guitars recorded onto one track.
there ave been many session tapes and segments that have been bootlegged over the years and there is no evidence on these of anyone other than John, Paul, George and Ringo playing on these songs, no other names are spoken in relation to playing music on these tapes.
There would also be no reason reason to do this as all four of them were great musicians even at this early time (this is evident it tapes of them playing in Hamburg in 1962).
2. Hendrix and Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
the fact that Hendrix played a "note for note" cover of "SPLHCB" the day after it was released in no way indicates that her knewthe song from anytime before it was released.
a guitarist with the musical ability that Hendrix had could quite often learn a song within 24 hours of hearing it (especialy since SPLHCB is quite a simple song).
as for the song on the album, there is no evidence that anyone other than McCartney is playing the lead guitar, it's certainly not Hendrix.
If Hendrix did play the lead what reason would they have to keep it secret given that they let the world know that Clapton plays lead on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"?.
3. A Day In The Life and The McCartney Fragment
if this part of the song was in fact from a tape recorded at Mccartneys home studio why is there a version that has a different bass and drum track by Pual and Ringo (which were recorded together onto one track) and a vocal in which McCartney flubs a line.
Why if Paul is dead and this was from an old home tape would they not only add drums and bass to a "complete" version but also to one in which McCartney flubs a line.
D-Wil said...
ReplyDeleteJakob-
I won't bother with going into a lengthy explanation of why you are wrong.
That's a cop out!! Please bother! Give me your "lengthy" explanation why I am "wrong".
Your whole "theory" is patently ludicrous, preposterous and ridiculous...not to mention absurd.
This Paul is Dead (PID) rubbish has been around the block so often that the block has been demolished and is now a Disney Land theme park and the world has moved on.
ReplyDeleteThe Pidders should all get a life, get a job, get paid and get laid. If you were mad enough you would believe that President Obama is also dead (OID) and that the Obama who was elected in 2008 died one year later in 2009 and was replaced immediately and seamlessly by a body double. This would obviously explain a lot of things about the new Obama.
If you check photos of the Obama who was elected in 2008 and compare them to photos of the new Obama, you can see immediately that the new Obama is slightly taller or smaller (it's your choice) than the the 2008 Obama and that the nose/chin/ears/eyes are not the same and guess what,he talks different to and, yes, he also walks different. What about Michelle and the kids I hear you ask. Well, they were replaced too. Isn't it obvious?
By the way did I tell you about my Jim Fetzer is dead (JFID) theory? Same idea - just change everything - the name and the years etc., etc., etc. ad nauseam.
You Pidders are worse than the JFK Lone Nutters and that takes some doing.
@Robert Lindsay: Please see my previous post where a forensic scientist who examined photos of pre and post 1966 McCartney concluded that they are not the same man. Anyone who has 2 eyes can also plainly see they are not the same person. You sir are an idiot.
ReplyDeleteRumors of Paul McCartney's death began to circulate in 1969, a time when the
ReplyDeletestrained relationships among the Beatles were becoming public knowledge. Written versions of this story first appeared in college newspapers in the fall of 1969, but the precise origin of the rumor is unknown. The story caught fire with the public when it was broadcast by a radio station in
Detroit. Russell Gibb, a disc jockey for WKNR-FM, received a strange phone call from someone who identified himself only as Tom. The caller told Gibb that Paul McCartney had died in 1966 and was then replaced by a lookalike. The Beatles had subsequently left clues on their albums about this
deception. The caller claimed that the cover photo of Abbey Road, the Beatles' most recent release at the time, represented a funeral procession with John as the minister, Ringo the undertaker, Paul the corpse, and George
the gravedigger. Other Beatles album covers also contained clues, the caller claimed, and a few Beatles songs contained clues about Paul's death—including some that could only be deciphered when the records were
played backwards! Gibb related the rumor of Paul's death on the air, which brought a strong reaction from listeners and the story spread rapidly after that.
The rumor became so widespread that Life magazine sent a crew to Scotland to track Paul down and take a photo of him. Paul had taken refuge from the Beatles' legal battles at his farm in Scotland and he was not at all happy to be confronted by reporters. When the crew from Life magazine appeared on his farm, Paul became angry and doused the photographer with a bucket of water as he took pictures. The reporters quickly left and Paul, realizing that the photos would cast him in a negative light, followed after them. In
ReplyDeleteexchange for the film of his outburst, Paul agreed to let the Life crew do an interview. The resulting article, which went into some detail about the supposed clues to Paul's "death", appeared as the cover story for the
November 7, 1969, issue.
About the same time, a fan magazine appeared that reinforced many of the stranger elements of the "Paul is dead" rumor. A sloppy account rushed to newsstands to take advantage of the public fascination with the story, Paul
ReplyDeleteMcCartney Dead: The Great Hoax went into some detail in presenting the story of Paul's "death."The story was that Paul McCartney had died in a car accident at 5:00 a.m. on Wednesday, November 9, 1966. Paul McCartney Dead: The Great Hoax suggested that Paul had picked up a female hitchhiker on his way to visit friends. The woman became so excited when she realized who had picked her up that she threw her arms around Paul and caused him to lose control of the car. Both Paul and his passenger were killed when the car swerved off the road and hit a stone fence. And here's where the story takes a turn toward the ludicrous—Paul was decapitated in the accident and the trauma to his head was so severe that even his dental records were useless in identifying the victim! Not wanting to lose potential record sales,
record company executives suppressed the story of Paul's death and brought
in a lookalike to replace him. For some reason (this is the part where you
have to suspend disbelief) the surviving Beatles agreed to go along with
this scheme, but they left clues on all of their subsequent albums about
Paul's death and the imposter who took his place. Paul's stand-in was a man
named William Campbell, who had won a Paul McCartney lookalike contest. With a little plastic surgery, William Campbell had taken Paul's place in photos of the group. The surgery had been successful except for a small scar above his lip. And, as luck would have it, William Campbell could also sing and
just happened to be a songwriter with an exceptional ear for pop melodies.
Of course, Paul wasn't really dead, as he explained in a statement accompanying the Life article (and several years later to Chris Farley on "Saturday Night Live"),Paul McCartney and Chris Farley on Saturday Night
ReplyDeleteLivebut that didn't stop fans from poring over the Beatles' albums for "clues" to Paul's untimely demise. Many of the supposed clues to Paul's death are simply vague references to death. Other clues are pictures of the Beatles that show Paul in a manner that is different from the other Beatles
in some way, especially involving the colors red (blood) or black (death).
Most of the "Paul is dead" clues are simply the product of an obsessive search for significance, but a few are genuinely chilling. The Beatles all denied that they had perpetrated a hoax and insisted that none of the "clues" about Paul's supposed death had any significance whatsoever.
According to Ringo, "It's all a load of crap." [1] When asked if he had intentionally placed any of the clues, John denied it in similar terms, "No. That was bullshit, the whole thing was made up."
Yes, the whole "Paul is dead" rumor was absurd, so why did it create such a stir? It may have had something to do with the public's growing awareness that all was not well with the Beatles. It explained why the Beatles had stopped touring (their final concert had been in San Francisco on August 29, 1966), why their music and appearance had changed so dramatically in the late-1960s, and why the Beatles seemed to be drifting apart. In his statement in Life magazine Paul declared that he wanted "to go on making
ReplyDeletegood music. But the Beatles thing is over. It has been exploded by what we
have done and partly by other people." Perhaps the antiestablishment
sentiment of the time kept the rumor going. The rumor was initially told through alternative media at a time when mistrust for the "establishment" was high among young people. Deciphering the clues made fans feel as though they were in on the joke with the Beatles and, as a Chicago disk jockey put
it,"The kids are enjoying the mysterious flavor of the rumor." According to
Ralph L. Rosnow and Gary Alan Fine, who wrote Rumor and Gossip: The Social
Psychology of Hearsay, the Life article only served to reinforce the belief
in an elaborate ruse among those who accepted the conspiracy theory. The article created a "boomerang effect" that actually extended the life of the rumor. The Life article even contributed to the rumor by publishing
sonagrams of Paul singing "Hey Jude," which would have been recorded after Paul's death, with Paul's voice from "Yesterday." The magazine quoted Dr. Henry Truby of the University of Miami, who found them to be "suspiciously different." "Could there have been more than one 'McCartney'?", the Life
article asked. After Paul appeared on the cover of Life magazine, coverage
of the "Paul is dead" rumor declined rapidly. References to it pop up occasionally, but the lie had run its course.
Paul was replaced but the PID clues were designed to keep investigators hung up on this conspiracy aspect and away from the idea that ALL the beatles were replaced around the same time in 1966.
ReplyDeleteTo Jakob Everardski:
ReplyDeleteYou're wrong in general about the case. But what I will say specifically here is that the Life article contained photos back to only 1967. How convenient. Best wishes.
To D-Wil:
ReplyDeleteThe issue was that no-one knew for many years what OPP or OPD would mean. Then someone realized that OPP was Ontario Provincial Police. You're right. But as I explained in my coverage of the subject, the main photo used to argue about was the 2nd image used for the Sgt P inner-double-album picture, had the "D" of the doctored image going around the arm, which many people therefore believed was merely a "P" in foreshortened shape. This was what was intended. A tease. (Of course, it was not a P, nor could a P look like a D when it had a long stem on the P, as these do, judge-able by the middle P which was frontal.)
Anyway, another picture they used exists, possibly for an early British release? Or a rare poster? Anyway, it is shown in an older film, reproduced in the Iamaphoney Youtube video "Rotten Apple 47 2" at 0:07 forward for a few seconds.
THAT image had a FULL FRONTAL "OPD" in slightly different embroidery.
They had to have used an OPP patch and altered it physically each time, or done photo manipulation (most likely the latter on the commoner around-the-arm version, since it would be a slight change in that one and not in the full frontal version shown in the rarer image).
I have seen that full-frontal OPD before, but I don't know where it was. Anyway, let THAT debate end. Whatever the reality of Paul's death or not, the damned OPP was changed to an OPD.
Claire -
DeleteAfter Jacob's lengthy faux or Faul-dismissal, I removed myself from this thread. I did, though, listen to your 1.4 interview w/ Jim. I am the person Jim referred to near the beginning as a "listener" who indicated that Paul was murdered.
I have studied the Beatles/Paul/Faul issue along with Crowley, JFK, RFK, and so much more for nearly 3 decades now. I would very much like to talk with you as soon as you are available.
Please email me at: mesoanarchy@gmail.com.
Thank you.
To Chevy West:
ReplyDeleteAgreed that the Beatles were not a composite band, a near-fake or slapped-together band, totally Tavistock or CIA. Some Laurel Canyon artists were, though, it seems. See davesweb.cnchost.com for an 18-page romp about many of the 60s characters in music and other hangers-on, in his series "Inside the LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the 60s Generation". The 18 pages were on-going research; they are not perfect nor claim to be. However, they contain stunning research into memoirs, news articles, cross-temporal (many decades) and many lines of inquiry. Well worth studying in full and really thinking through.
To Don:
ReplyDeletePart 1 on forensics:
Absolutely. And any hoi polloi can understand the arguments if they think about them enough. One issue is the teeth. The teeth are so compressed in the original James Paul McCartney that braces would have to be significant and many teeth pulled, or, possibly, as the forensic scientists suggest, he would have needed "reconstructive palatal surgery", which breaks the palate, a very bloody & long-recovery-time surgery even now. Back in the 60s, it was occasionally done, but wld've been even more difficult to recover from, such as over a year. It would have required a head brace. We know he did not have this surgery or major braces and teeth pulled, blood, etc.
The only attempts to debunk rather than ignore the forensics are by: Gary J Anderson (covered below) and various Youtube and forum comment posters, who say the forensic scientists got their photos from PID forums and "so their conclusions are discredited".
So let me handle these things in order.
1. The forensic analyst is a medically trained forensic photoanalyst, who has worked on high-profile Italian and other political cases, among other things. The computer specialist who modeled the findings for further comparisons in 3D is her son, who also works in these fields. They explain how they had a hard time finding good frontal photos of Paul but found 2 which were on PID sites which actually matched frontally and which they found the sources for. They said clearly dated frontal early photos of him are hard to find. They were delighted when it turned out that the kinds of medical points they needed were similarly angled in each. They used these two to model front views for Paul, to which to match others to.
They found that Paul#2 matched himself (post-1967) but never matched the first Paul and were astounded. They also found some photos, particularly obviously the Sgt Peppers inner cover, which had to have been doctored between the two for the doctored photos matched neither in most things and a few proportions of one and the other.
There is nothing wrong in their method of choosing photos, and nor are they flakes, as some have claimed.
(cont'd ...)
To Don:
ReplyDeletePart 2 on forensics:
2. Gary Anderson wrote "The Walrus Was Paul". He has a Webpage in which he does actually attempt to respond to the forensics. His response was to run the idea by a friend of his who works at the famed "body farm" in the USA. The friend is knowledgeable about his own death-process medical knowledge, of course, but misrepresents the problems in photo forensics. The friend suggests that although it isn't his field, he doesn't believe it's possible to DO photo forensics!
How so? Well, he says, when a skull is "clean", it is impossible to know how much tissue depth would have been on it -- you could be fat or thin, have a birthmark, etc., but never know by the skull. So sculptors working from skulls -- as we know -- cannot say they have the person's look exactly.
Of course this is begging the question of what photo forensics (and our own brains) do to recognize people's heads and faces. In the case of a live person, we forgive a bit of skin change, but judge relative changes and relative set-points. Some set-points change almost not at all, without other changes occurring, or never occur without great emaciation, and even then not by much (say, the temples or the lowest join of nose to upper lip or between the inner and outer eyes relative to each other or to uppermost cheek, etc.). Some cannot be modified by surgery beyond a millimeter or so, or would be so obvious as say, adding a major bulge to a whole area, because those points are themselves unchangeable in isolation: no bone to change them with (the lowest nose join on the skull is an example: there's nothing you can do to raise that point of join, since there's no strong bone to connect a higher nose join to!).
All right, so these forensics experts compared point-to-point with some forgiveness, then those totals to others and others and so on, and then modeled a 3D and 2D version. Then these were compared with the same actions from multiple and individual photos from the later Paul.
The summary of these findings was published in Wired Italia magazine in 2009, and released on the same day or very close thereto, as the Letterman interview of Paul #2, where he talked about PID "at the end of the 60s" (quite a rarity these days for him to talk of it, and the timing seems now like it was a deflection from the brouhaha which might have reached the US from the Wired article). The machine Google translation at plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2010/01/forensic-science-proves-paul-was.html (see the bottom, the article in PDF is on top) is the only translation available on line other than post by "js" at http://invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=print&thread=5735 --- date of post Jul 17, 2009, 9:21am, about 1/2 down the page.
They also wrote a book called: "Codice McCartney. La verità sulla morte di Paul" (Alessandra Gigante, Fabio Andriola). It is available here: http://www.ciao.it/Codice_McCartney_La_verita_sulla_morte_di_Paul_Alessandra_Gigante_Fabio_Andriola__3426643
To John Friend:
ReplyDeleteI hope you enjoyed my broadcast. It was filled with references. There are many others of course, which I could have used, but these should suffice to wake you or a friend up to several things. I don't agree with Total that the band was "Tavistock product" or a "collaborative effort" ... in the way he implies. However, they may have been influenced through cultists and ideologues from Tavistock or elsewhere, as people who were friends of theirs. They also may have been aware of some other bands which WERE more shady in origin. See D-Wil's comment above from January 4, 2012 10:58 AM. He is right about the Indica scene. See also Iamaphoney's movie "TheWingedBeatle" carefully.
Also for USA CIA/Military/Cult activities in music & film in the 50s & onward, read davesweb.cnchost.com "Inside the LC" all 18 pages. Be patient. It's complex and imperfect but very good and interesting.
To D-Wil:
ReplyDeleteVery good. As well:
Anyone interested in the Mal Evans issue must now know the following:
1. However, EVANS' BOOK MANUSCRIPT, NOT HIS DIARIES WAS THE ITEM OF IMPORT LOST AT HIS DEATH. See below the next section for the details on the book.
2. Evans' diaries were published in excerpts some years ago by the Sunday Times.
The only remaining record of what was published which I can find are some excerpts of these excerpts at http://beatlesite.blogspot.com/2009/08/mal-evans-diaries.html (Aside: The original article of May 20, 2003 on the Times' Website is scrubbed now).
Details on the date of publication of the original article and acquiring of the diary were posted at http://board.georgeharrison.com/viewtopic.php?q=board/viewtopic.php&f=3&t=34&p=109861 .
3. So, back to the BOOK MANUSCRIPT:
EVANS' BOOK WAS THE ITEM OF IMPORT, lost after his shooting by Charles Higby in 1976, a suspicious character in the LAPD. (That's another story and set of research. Look him up and find the old articles of his boss complaining about his usurpation of his own role, especially when investigating police corruption -- ha ha, looks like a plant. Also was involved in the Robert Kennedy death cover-up.)
It seems the actual BOOK, "Living the Beatles Legend: The Secret" manuscript by Mal has in fact been found now, or is being finally released by its owner.
Page 146 is purportedly shown in Iamaphoney's movie, "TheWingedBeatle". Here are the details:
In part 5/5, at 10:26 we see the putative cover of the book, inscribed as "RIP". At 10:28 we see a full-page "p. 146" of the book. Parts of the page are blurred, but most of it is readable.
There is a partial close-up at 10:37, which fades in. It includes most of the previous blurred part unblurred.
If you stop to read each time, you'll find hints of Paul's death -- that "Paul" fit right in as if he'd been part of them the whole time. Let me transcribe some of the salient parts:
At 10:32 you can see:
Mal kicks out George (Kelly) the housekeeper for Paul's house, forever. Then Mal writes the following (a few names hard to read have "[?]" after, and parts which are outright blurred deliberately by Iamaphoney have "[...]" after):
"The next day Paul arrived. We were all there, Neil, [next name hard to read - ?], John, Ringo, Anita[? unsure], George and Tony. Everybody was excited and stunned. They did a good job in [... -- which must be the name of the hospital/ town in Kenya they went to at the time]. It was really happening. It was like we had known him forever."
The next sentences say, "Brian was afraid. Neil assured him that he could trust Pete [I don't know what Pete is meant here; possibly Pete Best], but he needed a commitment from him. John was paralyzed. Just don't go there, he said. We don't need friggin Pete involved. I don't need to see him again."
You can read the rest of that 10:32 image yourself.
Now go to 10:37 for a clearer close-up of some of it, and some of the previously blurred segment.
Note that at the very fade-in at 10:37, he shows the very bottom section of the now-unblurred section -- Very briefly. This part talks about creating the concept of Sgt Peppers, and says how it was "discussed at the clinic in Kenya" and a new sound "was the kind of thing that could distract from what we were doing."
To Jakob Everardski about http://beatlesnumber9.com/dead.html :
ReplyDeleteNo. The man who called in said later that he had heard it around campus already, so he was not cooking it up. He said he thinks his roommate heard it too from a band which came from London or England, and turned him on to the idea.
We also know that it was late 1969 when this began to be more widely heard of in the USA. But it was already in Feb. 1967 fan-base "Beatles Book" in England where the rumour was first denied. To suggest that was to "boost record sales" would be silly.
But you do have a point: in 1966 though, not importantly in 1969, the Beatles ALSO had disappeared for a month or two. Someone expressing himself as "Paul" for newspapers was suggesting the band might split, or might not.
I think they were indecisive of what to do, and maybe felt if it didn't work they would all sheepishly apologize. But it began to work. Can you imagine the grief AND disgust an intelligent Lennon would have for the fact that few suspected?
Anyway, it was in 1966-67 that the issue was important for the case, not when the rumour made it to the USA in force, which was 3 years after Paul's death.
One of the strangest events surrounding the Beatles was the rumor in 1966 that band member Paul McCartney was dead. Not only was he dead, but was replaced with a double. More amazing was that the band seemed to be putting clues in their music and album covers to leak the truth — although the Beatles always denied any part in promoting the rumor. The most famous elements were contained on the Abbey Road album cover. The
ReplyDeletefour Beatles are shown walking across the pedestrian "zebra crossing" on London's Abbey Road, but there are curious clues. McCartney is in a suit, barefoot and out of step with John Lennon (dressed as a priest), Ringo Starr (dressed as an undertaker), and George Harrison (dressed in work clothes, like a grave digger). A Volkswagen Beetle is parked on the road, with the license plate "LMW281F," implying McCartney would have been 28 "if" he had lived, while LMW supposedly stood for "Linda McCartney Weeps."
In 1969, a Detroit disc jockey named Russ Gibb received a phone call from a listener named Tom, who announced that McCartney was dead, and for clues, to play the Beatles song "Revolution #9" backward. In reverse, the words that are repeated over and over, "number nine, number nine," sort of sound like "turn me on, dead man."The rumors continued to spread and became a worldwide urban legend when a WABC disc jockey in New York rambled on about it on an overnight show that was heard over the clear channel AM station in two-thirds of the U.S. and halfway around the world. Afterward, there wasn't a campus radio station in the country that wasn't running a weekend-long "Paul-a-thon," with listeners calling in their favorite clues as they pored over the albums and fan magazines until their eyes fogged over. Grade-point averages plummeted all over the United States.
ReplyDeleteConspiracists pieced together a hodgepodge of lyrics from several albums to create the story. Supposedly, McCartney had a fight with the other members of the band during the recording of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and stormed out of the studio. He hopped into his Austin-Healey at about 5:00 a.m. on November 9, 1966, drove into the dark morning, crashed into a light pole, and was killed. Following the accident, a secret funeral was held, and the news was withheld from the public. A quiet search was quickly
ReplyDeletemade for a McCartney look-alike/sound-alike — named Billy Shears — who finished the recording of Sgt. Pepper. It was Billy Shears who went on to record all subsequent Beatles albums and launch his own band, Wings.
Of course, all this started in the creative minds of a small group of college students who went cherry-picking through the lyrics of wildly different Beatles songs to invent the story. Unquestionably, the band was bewildered at first by the story, but John Lennon in particular seemed to enjoy playing along, while never exactly commenting on it openly.
Correction on forensics book -- It is partly by Andriola who is the freelance writer and interviewer who wrote the Wired article and was interviewed on a now-scrubbed TV show about the subject referenced here: http://invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=print&thread=5735 under sub-post "Re: Finally!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletePost by ilras on May 4, 2010, 1:31pm"
The TV show originally had 30 more minutes aired; voice analysis (of course) was cut for the more widely aired version; the widely aired version on the forensic facial and graphological analyses; then the widely aired cut version was put on Youtube; and now it's got "copyright infringement" scrubbing from Youtube.
Also, though I mentioned PlasticMacca's Google machine translation of the Wired article, and one on this forum page where the TV show is mentioned also, there is a third translation of the Wired article (also on the forum page), and it's better than some: it's at "Re: Finally!!!!!!!
Post by jojo on Jul 18, 2009, 10:12am"
To Jakob Everardski:
ReplyDeleteYour point is? Of course we know that the typical pages on the issue focus only on the 1969 USA issues. The real issue is that the rumour started much before.
We have:
a) The Beatles Book Feb. 1967 disclaimer.
b) The memory of "Tom" who was interviewed in the early 2000s and said he heard it from his roommate, who had heard it from a London band, and others in the campus were already talking about it: he didn't come up with it.
c) The new interview with Emilio Lari, on the Iamaphoney member site, which you wouldn't know of, since you're not into the case enough to see what people who believe in it are posting in detail.
Lari was the photographer on the movie Help!, and claims he has been harassed by Paul #2, that Paul #2 is scary to deal with, and that he's definitely not the first Paul he came to know well and photograph often.
Good luck.
To Jakob Everardski:
ReplyDeletePart 2 (see directly above for part 1)
But yes, there were hodgepodge theories along the way, of course, as people gathered all possible threads. We still don't have all things nailed down. But we do know he's dead.
"Tom"'s 1969 phone call is not "the start" of the issue. Lari says already in 1966 he'd heard in London -- "Seemed like everyone knew," he said. People dismiss these things as being critical to their own lives and only later realize they should speak -- or not, for safety.
Roby Yonge, the DJ who lost his job for not only taking "Tom"'s call in 1969 but particularly for pursuing it with vigour on his next programme, commented later that he'd already suspected Paul was replaced, at least for the event he was at, when he was at Jane Asher's / "Paul"'s engagement party in late 1967. It niggled at him. Like a lot of people, however, in weird situations he didn't know what to make of it personally.
He and others made mistakes in what they believed might be part of the clues. Who wouldn't? It's part of investigations and brainstorming.
Again, good luck.
** Correction re. last post to Jakob Everardski:
ReplyDeleteI said people dismiss things as being critical to their own lives. I meant to say:
Many people dismiss things as being *NOT* critical to their own lives. Hence, many witnesses don't come forward realizing how important their testimony would be. (Other than witnesses who are killed or afraid to come forward in some cases.)
Lari and Yonge fit the idea of people who heard, knew, or suspected, but only later realized they should, could, or ought to come forward.
Weird how it's only Americans who believe this
ReplyDelete"Paul is dead" slanderous and vile crock of sh1t. People in the UK and Ireland who grew up with the Beatles view this "Paul is dead" baloney with the disdain and contempt it so richly deserves.
Oh!!
ReplyDeleteAmericans and Japanese, too.
This "Paul is dead" hoax and so-called "conspiracy" gives REAL conspiracies a bad name.
ReplyDeleteLet's have no more of this CIA funded and sponsored swill, hogwash and moonshine.
To Jas Monteith:
ReplyDeleteThe rumour started in London. Read the posts and stop slagging. I too didn't think it was anything more than people who look into images and think that any connections can be made; it turns out not to be the case, though there were/are some over-credulous people in the field. The reality is bad enough (not just Paul's death but the cultic links of the music industry and Beatles hangers-on), but yes, there have been some odd researchers along the way, as well as, quite legitimately, lines of inquiry pursued which didn't pan out.
The CIA/Mi5-6 hogwash is that there is no cultic conspiracy and that Paul didn't die and that the rumour started in the USA.
Read my posts on Lari's testimony, Yonge's testimony, the Beatles Book "disclaimer" way back in 1967 Feb. (England only, at the time). If anything, the idea was "seeded" by them, but actually it was being denied already, not seeded.
Learn about the forensics and the timeline. Learn about Mal Evans' book (p. 146) as I've transcribed above and linked to.
Until then, you're ill informed.
Clare:
ReplyDeleteAt first I thought all the PID stuff was BS until I started searching Google and came across the Wired magazine article. My observations: obviously the teeth and mouth of James Paul McCartney (JPM) are visibly smaller than that of the replacement (Faul). JPM's head was smaller and rounder than that of Faul. To my eye it's not even close. I don't have any trouble telling the difference between JPM and the replacement. It's blatantly obvious that the individual on the Sgt. Peppers album cover is not JPM. The whole album cover looks like what it is: The funeral for JPM.
As to that 2009 Letterman interview: Faul obviously has no recollection of being in the Ed Sullivan Theater in 1964. Faul even admits that "people know my history much better than I do." That's because it's not HIS history. Faul is a replacement and a sham and a phony.
I've been searching for the last known time that JPM was seen alive. There is some speculation that he was replaced after the Seattle concerts 8/25/66. Faul is first seen at the LA press conference on 8/28/66 and the San Fran airport 8/29/66. As far as I can tell the last time we saw the real JPM was the Memphis interview 8/19/66. So at some point between 8/19 and 8/28/66 JPM was killed and replaced.
To pull this off there had to be involvement of one or more intelligence agencies. There must have been payoffs and intimidation to shut up everyone who knew. The intelligence community controls the mainstream media so that would explain their silence on this issue for all of these years. The power structure can kill a president in the middle of the street at high noon in a major city, they can nuke buildings in downtown Manhattan and they can kill and replace cultural icons. At some point we need to stand up to these guys and stop this insane ruling class.
To Don:
ReplyDeleteYes, the gist there is what I conclude as well; as to his death date, well, we really don't know exactly. We know he was at the Melody Maker Awards, though it seems that footage was recycled for photos later ... I forget where that argument is made, but Tina Foster of PlasticMacca.blogspot.com has talked of this in a radio interview she did.
I think it's unimportant to pin it down right now; we do have the "I ONE IX HE DIE" image from the original drum-skin gravestone by "Joe Ephgrave" (who doesn't exist, so it's probably Epitaph-Grave) on Sgt P cover.
Aside: this "I ONE IX HE DIE" is not on the CD re-do of the lettering, which totally changed the lettering style, so that it f-cks it up to be "I ONE IX HE BIE".
Anyway, my point was going to be that the original, which was "I ONE IX HE DIE", would be literally 11-9 ... or I suppose at the latest, 1-19 he die.
If he'd died in January as the Beatles Book of Feb. 67 suggested, you could go with the 1-19 date, but again that would be US dating style AND we know Paul was missing and the new guy in Kenya -- if you have any eyes to see the difference in the men -- and Mal moving in with the new Paul in late 66, and Mal's book page talking about the events mentioning firing George Kelly (housekeeper for real Paul) and saying Paul came and Strawberry Fields was started in Nov 66. (This is at the end of "TheWingedBeatle" movie, Mal Evans' purported book typescript flashed in the movie several times at the end.)
So anyway, it all points not to January.
Why am I elaborating on what's NOT the case (i.e., January)? Just to be thorough.
Now to the point:
It was BRITISH dating to put DAY first (which we do here in Canada, too, usually). So that would make it 11 September that the drum-skin refers to. Maybe it also refers to the new Paul's arrival after Kenya, to start his new life as a Beatle.
But the Cultic issue is strengthened if Paul died on Sept 11, 66 (where 9 and 6 are interchangeable for "magic" purposes sometimes), which makes it Sept 11, 1-666.
Plus it fits the timeline best. By November, they were already finished with the Kenya trip initial plastic surgery.
To Don:
ReplyDeleteI have to add here: No, that Memphis interview is definitely the original Paul. Exuberant, small, and more triangular of face in structure under the roundness ... it's not really roundness, but it's different than the slightly older (though friendly sometimes) Paul#2. Yes, there's some TV stretch of the image, but this still leaves us the original Paul. The original had large eyes for his face; the second has less so, but a bit buggier from his eyes being more flat with his upper cheekbones, not from overall size in his longer face.
" I have to add here: No, that Memphis interview is definitely the original Paul. Exuberant, small, and more triangular of face in structure under the roundness ... it's not really roundness, but it's different than the slightly older (though friendly sometimes) Paul#2. Yes, there's some TV stretch of the image, but this still leaves us the original Paul. The original had large eyes for his face; the second has less so, but a bit buggier from his eyes being more flat with his upper cheekbones, not from overall size in his longer face. "
ReplyDeleteIs this your idea of what biometric face recognition is all about?
" it's not really roundness "!!
Just guess work and school girlish prattle?
"it's not really roundness, but it's different than the slightly older (though friendly sometimes)"
" The original had large eyes for his face; the second has less so, but a bit buggier from his eyes being more flat with his upper cheekbones, not from overall size in his longer face."
This is laughable drivel and babble!
"Until then, you're ill informed."
You've been misinformed and ill-informed for a long, long, long time!! Isn't it time you wised up?
" Faul is a replacement and a sham and a phony."
Just change the name and it's YOU!!
@Jas:
ReplyDeleteInstead of posting your drivel, please present some evidence that backs your position. I have sited a forensic scientist who determined that James Paul McCartney and Faul are not the same man. The real Paul McCartney would have had to have undergone reconstructive palatal surgery, which breaks the palate, in order to match Faul. He wouldn't have been able to sing or perform for a year if he had undergone such surgery so it obviously didn't happen. See if you can find photographs of the pre 1966 McCartney that match the post 1966 McCartney. Won't won't be able to so please crawl back under your rock.
To Clare:
ReplyDeleteMelody Maker - I have read that JPM attended it but I have yet to see a photograph that was dated showing JPM at the event. What day did MM actually take place? I have read that Melody Maker was taped and broadcast later. So I would want to know what day it took place and was it JPM or Faul who attended.
I ONE IX HE DIE - If that is true then I believe the date they are referring to is 9/11/66. The 60IF document states that JPM was kidnapped and they did not find the body for sometime. Perhaps he disappeared on or around 8/25/66 and the body was recovered on 9/11/66. That was the day that "Brian Epstein" (he was replaced too) announced that the Beatles would not tour again. The thought here is that once they knew for sure Paul was dead that there was no way they would try to pull off a tour. If Paul would have turned up alive it may have been a different story.
The main reason that I want to determine the date of his death is to find out where he was killed. If it was August then he was killed here in the US. If it was September then it was England. 60IF states that he was kidnapped by KKK members. It's unlikely that the KKK would fly to England to kidnap and kill McCartney and Epstein. 60IF makes more sense if it happened in the US.
Physical facts- he grew 2 inches taller, his feet got bigger, changed his eye color, ear and head shape, his natural hair part swithced sides,
ReplyDeleteobservations- Faul plays more piano,
pre 66 PJM hardly ever looked at his right hand when playing guitar or bass Sir Faul can't take his eyes of his right hand.
There is an obvious drop in quality after 1966, i think yesterday is one of the most covered songs of all time- who covers Sir Faul's songs?
I'm interested in Total's speculation about ghost writers, George was found guilty of 'unconscious' plagarism which got me thinking- why did leon russell cover 'beware of darkness' so soon after george's version? Maybe he wrote it, leon, like elton was a Pro
IMO The MIND that wrote Yesterday, Michelle, Here There and Everywhere would NOT refer to them as 'silly love songs'
To Jas Monteith:
ReplyDeleteNo, silly. Read my post of and the full translation of the forensic summary. I understand it. I was simply describing in common terms what we see.
The second Paul tried to mimic some of the movements of the first Paul who, when he is most subdued, succeeded in some mimicry of the first Paul. But the egregious differences, even when subtle, betray acting. And the faces are different -- but sometimes we get similarities, of course: one reason is that when one is relaxing the other looks like him a bit in another position; the mind can conflate the two different reasons for a "longer" or "shorter" aspect and think of a conflated image which is neither-nor but feels like both at the same time, but was physically impossible.
Your vitriol is unfounded, but I forgive you. I see it all the time.
To Don:
ReplyDeleteYes, I know the points you're raising. I was only pointing out that that interview is the original.
I think we don't know for sure the date he died or was found, beyond the drum-skin claim. There is, as I mentioned from Tina Foster's interview, some indication he was or wasn't at a certain place in late August. I forgot the exact debate (others, such as TF, are more conversant on that particular issue than I at this point).
The only honest position is to:
a) recognize that we don't know if the 60F document is legitimate
b) recognize that there HAVE been changes to the Beatles on-line sites specifically in the area of Paul's last days/appearances. There are posts on forums over the past 8 years, concurrent to changes made on Beatles sites about Paul's last days timeline. One sees frustration of researchers in noticing the changes to the timelines going on when they posted. Such changes were co-ordinated with their pointing out problems. This smacks of the same thing that occurred in the JFK death case, or 9/11 case, when changed documents were released or new documents (or images) were released with unmatching aspects compared to already-public items, because researchers had pointed out problems in the already-public items: something fixed in a new release had new problems because perps couldn't get everything new to match up.
In Paul's death, we can note that he may have been missing a few days or a week, or he may just not have been in front of a public camera (nor was John at this period), and then something happened. We just don't honestly know at this point.
I've heard, but never seen proof, of Epstein's announcement's having been on Sept 11. Iamaphoney claims it, too. This date was one of the issues the forums were discussing and which is now seemingly not present on line anymore on official timelines accurately or at all (they often say only that "late in 1966" Epstein made the announcement).
As to Epstein's replacement as well: I highly doubt it. I have never seen any proof of that which satisfies me. People have proposed all sorts of things (on the forums) -- which are used to "discredit" them and Paul's death.
We DO know, to be honest, of people's recent doubles -- Saddam springs to mind -- being killed in their place, but fulfilling a role until their own murder is expedient (or their "airlifting", such as if the man who doubled for Saddam wasn't killed, but I bet he was, and had been lied to until then, that they'd let him live, but that's just a hunch on my part).
We also know of doubling in the public eye through video releases and press releases (now also voice doubling) for Osama bin Laden.
Something comparable could have been done to Eppy after he came up with or agreed to TRY to replace Paul in late 1966, which would have been a long shot, I think, in his and others' minds. Not that no-one had ever been doubled before, but I think it was more of a gamble here.
But as I said, I have never seen any good reasoning about Eppy's own replacement. If you have something you think is fairly well reasoned about it, let me know. I haven't found the reasoning I've seen convincing.
Doris Day and BB King I do think might have been ... not just for the public but for their families' convenience (in Day's case). Certainly the BB King case is a rich one: there was a fire, there was a change in guitar styles and loss ... it was very interesting.
John Lennon sings: "CIA, FBI, BBC, BB King, Doris Day, Matt Busby". But this could as easily be about machinations by the CIA/FBI/Media (incl. BBC)/Mi5-6 around these people and others, as about replacements literally.
I think we really don't know properly about these cases. BB King maybe. I think that one is possible -- if you know the strange details about that weird period in BB King's life/lives.
Paul yes. Definitely.
one more thing about ghost writers-
ReplyDeletepeople ask
'why wold the Asher family go along with the fraud?"
Maybe Margaet Asher had an uncredited hand in the writing of those big Paul ballads.
-Paul lived in her house for two years!
- she was a pofessional musician and teacher (she taught George Martin the oboe)
-her son covered some of the songs
I assume she was Paul's informal teacher but perhaps there is more to the story.
IF she was involved in the writing of songs she may have been compensated off the record or in kind -
perhaps giving her son a career
'jane, just pretend this tall guy is Paul and your family will continue to get paid, if you refuse, the Paul estate goes to his dad'
To Jo:
ReplyDeleteYes, I covered the comp. in sizes, the best sources. And though I didn't get to the natural hair-part side, you're right.
The rest is true, too. It's not absolute on its own, but it is part of the case, must be accounted for, and fits better with the death of Paul than otherwise. We know for sure, however, through the physical changes, though, and the desperation of the "clues".
Everyone should go to Magical Mystery Tour (movie) and watch the Aunt's dream of "food" where the 2-dead-body composite photo image fades in, again compositely over the Aunt's own moving image. Then see the restaurant horror scene after, and what it implies (says) symbolically about the situation they found themselves in.
Anyone who takes the rarity (i.e., never) of showing a dead body in Beatles materials (other than, again, linking it to Paul's death, in the montage of Cream of the Beatles during the "A Day in the Life" segment, produced by Apple but that's often not noticed), should notice the specialness of this MMT death image -- grizzly though somewhat obscured. Its specialness indicates it may indeed be Paul. It also looks like him somewhat.
As to the Cream of the Beatles montage for A Day in the Life:
The link to a dead Paul in THAT film is not that his dead body is shown there, nor is it necessarily the song itself (it may be or not; it's usually stated that it's about Tara Browne, though Paul # 2 denied that, while Lennon claimed so). Rather, it is that there are two images OF Paul which flash: one of the Paul is Dead rumour (from a newspaper), and one of Paul sleeping or pulled from a pool at some point, when he'd nearly drowned, I think I read somewhere. But the point is: Paul is directly linked to deathlike imagery and the death rumour, and DURING the song for the film where the montage shows lots of other very definitely dead people.
But the only other image of a dead man in Beatles films -- and Cream of the Beatles is someone else's doing, as well as Apple's, as I mentioned -- is this double-dead man in MMT.
You could also count the more symbolic dead man in an MMT segment (again). The segment is the end of Blue Jay Way. A man with head not showing (cut off) and sparks flying out of his neck and fire raging in a corner of the image, lies rather blueish like a body on a slab. He has "Magical Mystery Boy" written, as if carved, on his chest. This could be Paul as cultic sacrifice represented or simply tribute after the fact of Paul's death. This guy though is not actually dead, it seems.
To Jo:
ReplyDeletePart 2: about people going along with it:
Loyalty is the most likely for all of these people. There was intense loyalty to these guys and their success. There was also grief and shock, and maybe eventually resignation in personal terms.
Money is part of it also, but never fully buys complicity of several people.
There is also the cultic overtone: there may have been some fear.
We don't know exactly how each of the players managed their own reactions to this, but that they did somehow is required by the thesis. And it's not impossible; Peter Asher later said, "Yes, I've known both of them" (Pauls, that is), as if he was joking, but it may well have been one of those sneaky admissions people do when they can. Jane refuses to speak of that episode of her life entirely; that's one way of handling it personally.
Mal says in the only book manuscript page of his we have, p. 146, shown at the end of TheWingedBeatle by Iamaphoney Pete Best wasn't brought in on it. And I think PB wouldn't have been noticing or watching or believing such a thing, which blocks the mins.
See my post above about the Mal book vs diary issue.
Correction: TO Jo:
ReplyDeleteI meant in my last post at the end to say, not "believing such a thing, which blocks the mind" to the fact. I typed "mins" instead of "mind". Oops. :)
To Don: sorry, I misread. I thought you were saying the Memphis interview was Faul. You were saying the LA Press Conference was Faul. No, it's still Paul. He's got that nervous thing with his lip and is more triangular of cheek to chin. It's Pauly. Faul was first involved after the death it seems, from the page by Mal (putatively) at the end of TheWingedBeatle, which looks like a genuine old page, has Mal's style, and is rather fascinating.
ReplyDeleteHabeas corpus!!!
ReplyDeleteIf Paul McCartney is dead, then show us his death certificate.Where is he buried? Do you really think that if Paul had really died John, George and Ringo would have allowed Paul to be buried secretly in an unknown and
unmarked grave or his body disposed of like a a piece of garbage? Thrown into the ground like a dog and forgotten. Do you really think
the People of Britain, Ireland and the indeed the world would have allowed such a crime to happen? If you think the English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish people and indeed the people of the world would have permitted such a thing then you are crazier than anyone can guess.If Paul McCartney is dead, show us
his death certificate. Where is he buried? If Paul was cremated, then where is his urn? Show us his death certificate. Tell us where Paul McCartney's body is buried that we may visit his grave. Shakespeare has a grave. Where is Paul's?
Habeas corpus!!!
" I have sited a forensic scientist who determined that James Paul McCartney and Faul are not the same man. "
ReplyDeleteOkay , you have cited a forensic scientist. So what?
P.S. How about you spend some time learning how to spell simple English words?
You don't need a forensic scientist!
You need an English language teacher!!
You "SITE"!!!
" The second Paul tried to mimic some of the movements of the first Paul who, when he is most subdued, succeeded in some mimicry of the first Paul. But the egregious differences, even when subtle, betray acting. And the faces are different -- but sometimes we get similarities, of course: one reason is that when one is relaxing the other looks like him a bit in another position; the mind can conflate the two different reasons for a "longer" or "shorter" aspect and think of a conflated image which is neither-nor but feels like both at the same time, but was physically impossible."
ReplyDeleteThis is all your opinion!! Pure speculation and surmise. Unfounded hypothesis! It's all in your mind!!
"....the mind can conflate the two different reasons for a "longer" or "shorter" aspect and think of a conflated image which is neither-nor but feels like both at the same time, but was physically impossible."
This is pure babble and gibberish!!!
Habeas corpus!!
check out The Rise Of The Heros The Great Secret Of Queen
ReplyDeleteu tube user name is DILLONSONG
ReplyDeletei bet mr fetzer will not have a plausable logical answer for it all
ReplyDeleteThese Pidders are all strong on dubious videos but very weak on the paper work.
ReplyDeleteWhen was Paul McCartney declared dead and who declared him dead? A doctor? A surgeon?
When was the autopsy (post mortem) carried out? Who carried it out? What was/were the cause/s of death? Who signed the death certificate? When was he buried? Paul was a Catholic - a non-practicing Catholic. His mother was a Catholic and father a Protestant turned agnostic. It is very unlikely Paul was cremated. When was the inquest held? What was the name of the coroner presiding over the inquest? Was the death announced - as is usual in the local papers? Who attended the funeral? John, Ringo, George? Family? Of course. Friends? Relations? Was the funeral private? Note private does not mean secret.
Where is Paul buried?
Let's see the paper work!!
Answer these questions!!
Habeas corpus!!!
red flag-
ReplyDeleteFaul didn't go to his dad's funeral because it was two days before a Wings tour
all the clues were deliberate
ReplyDelete- meant to bring exposure and slap on the wrist for the hoax but the imposter was so good the death was rejected by the fans
when the fans missed the clues, the band hit them over the head with the exposure in 69
George:
ReplyDeleteTry to keep up with the action here buddy! I'll go a little slower so you can understand..
Paul McCartney was killed by the intelligence community. It's called a Black Operation or Black Op. In a Black Op standard procedures are not followed. See the 9/11 operation or JFK assassination. That's why there is no public funeral or autopsy etc. They have the power to cover up deaths.
Just because there is no death certificate etc. doesn't mean that Paul is still alive. What you have to do is evaluate the evidence that is there: photographs and videos. This evidence proves that Paul McCartney was replaced. The system isn't going to suddenly come to its senses one day and admit all of this. It's up to us to demand justice.
Jim Fetzer is a great interviewer. Sometimes he grills the people he's interviewing. Who are they? Where do they come from? Where have they been? What is their background. What are their qualifications. Their credentials. Who do they know. Who don't they know. And that's BEFORE he really begins the "real" interview. Sometimes Jim doesn't grill. He TOASTS. Don't get me wrong. It's all very leisurely BUT it's f***ing LETHAL! Sometimes Jim's like a hatchet man on speed and I hope he's in top form when this PID poppycock comes down the f***ing pike.
ReplyDeleteGeorge said "What YOU have to do is get a life"
ReplyDeleteNow THAT is one well though out and reasoned scientific argument my friend. I now see the error of my ways! It's now plain as day that the Paul McCartney on the Yesterday and Today album cover looks the same as the Paul McCartney on the Sgt. Pepper's Album!
Except that he's 2 inches taller and the shape of his head has changed.
Clare:
ReplyDeleteAt first I thought that was the real Paul at the LA press conference too. But after reading Sun King's post and watching the press conference a few times I don't think it is the real Paul. Before the press conference starts you can see him standing next to the others and he looks taller like Faul. His voice also sound deeper than at the Memphis interview. At the airport there is no doubt it was Faul.
Dear Don:
ReplyDeleteHe's in his subdued mood. He could be very "politic" but understatedly aggressive with stupid reporters. But he still has not just a smile (Paul#2 sometimes smiles genuinely too), but a liveliness and funny mouth movement. Yes, he's his subdued self -- the one that Paul#2 mimics the best -- but it's the real deal subdued, not the copyist.
I agree with Don re LA. I was fooled at first- It's a brilliant impersonation of Paul. IMO Lennon looks very nervous at the sart- his right leg wont stop moving, then he swivels in his chair, then he relaxes. But comare it to this-
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=IbbOpOpulwM
It's a different Paul.
To George Marshall who called me crazy, and to Don who was "insulted" as well:
ReplyDeleteIt's amazing how this issue has polarized so many -- not all -- people here, more than other issues, some of them less well argued (even when partly true), and some of them not as definitely true. Ha!
George, you must understand the forensics and the voice analyses, the photo comps (particularly good is the comp with Mal because in both the first and 2nd, the hips are lined up in space, so you can do a height and proportion comparison properly, over their whole bodies with Mal as the control test). The test is here: http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2009/09/mal-evans-suspicious-death.html
Besides this, you must weigh in the timeline, the comments (yes, from George as well, that there was something which changed -- and his eyes darted -- in 1966, which might be India but could also be Paul's death). You have to consider Emilio Lari's testimony now that Paul died. And also Yonge's eyewitness impression from 1967. You know nothing yet if you don't try to go through the evidence! Just read the posts above with patience once. (I can tell you didn't; that's obvious.)
And you better familiarize yourself with forensics, especially on the teeth.
If this carefully sifted evidence makes me a "crazy", then I'm happy to be one, just as if Fetzer's points about the Zapruder film and X-rays makes him a "crazy", then he's happy to be one.
Get informed.
I have posted information above on the forensics and outlined the arguments. I have also posted about Mal's book (as opposed to his diary).
:P
And to Don: thanks for trying to wake these people up too. (But the interviews of Paul until late 1966 are the real Paul. I know why you have your doubts, but he's got his special smile and his subtler, more controlled emotions, lower -- slightly aggressive -- politic voice, which Paul#2 was best at mimicking rather than the other moods of Paul.)
To Jo and Don:
ReplyDeleteNo, it's the same Paul. If you watch Paulie being particularly subdued, which was rarer in earlier interviews, you catch these movements and tones of voice. They are the ones Paul#2 was BEST at imitating later; but then, his face and mannerisms are wrong sometimes, so you can tell it's the new Paul. They overlap in mannerism at times -- this is one time where Paulie comes closest to the best acting of Paul#2.
Watch Paulie smile and light his cigarette. Watch his barely concealed smile. He's not a poseur. The other man has friendliness at times, and feelings, but he's basically more a poseur when trying to smile "like" Paul's manner. And when he first came on the scene, he was much more different than even later (with more surgery); and then age made changes as well so we all "forgave" those differences.
So anyway, in mid-late 1966 Paulie was quite different than the few early interviews with a nervous and longer-faced Paul#2, in very late 1966 and early 1967.
Anyway, glad Don and Jo get it overall. :) I had a hard time thinking about this issue, and there's nonsense in some of the research on it, but yah, there is a fifth Beatle. I actually don't hate him. I DO however hate the mix of Crowley in with more positive
"religious paganism" in the circles around the B's and Paul#2.
TO George Marshall (and Don, just fyi):
ReplyDeleteGM might do to remember that "habeas corpus" was specifically necessary only when there was a body to be shown, and no forensic and circumstantial evidence. GM might also do to remember what Lifton's contribution -- and later Horne's and Mantik's: that we DON'T HAVE A BODY in the usual "BEST EVIDENCE" sense. We don't have a "VISUAL RECORD" either, in the usual sense. We have TAMPERED evidence.
In the case of Paul's death: we have actually suggestive hints of such things as DNA problems and graphological problems, but most of the evidence is withheld: he was asked by the public to submit his fingerprints but like Obama refused. It doesn't prove he wasn't the same, or was. But it leaves the case open. His passport has never been released. His paternity suits have all claimed in some astonishment (not knowing of PID issues, I'm sure) that the man submitted "an imposter's" blood and writing samples. This would not be a necessary interpretation, of course, if he was not Paulie.
But the point is: we HAVE the body in photographs. The Mal comp I already posted for you is good enough, as is the photo forensic facial comp work (if you understand how they did it and what they looked for, you will know, even as a hoi polloi person like the rest of us, that it is "juryable" evidence). :)
The teeth issue is damning on its own.
So we have a "corpus". Get informed. Read about it. I've sifted it for you and put up the posts (above). READ.
As to Don: Hi. :)
To George:
ReplyDeleteYes, Don misspelled "cited". I know.
As to forensics, since I've read your resistance position now even higher up in this thread, I will say:
READ THE FORENSICS AND UNDERSTAND THEM OR **YOU** ARE NOT DEALING WITH **WHAT WE DO HAVE** which is quite a lot, without having the dead body.
The whole reason for developing forensic science was WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE DEAD BODY. They had tests of some things which were physical items ... but no dead body. The first case to be won this way was the case against Sweeney Todd, in fact! And it's also what Lifton is really arguing about the JFK case: have a body but it's not "best evidence" on its own anymore.
Now, if that makes me "crazy", sign me up. I am far more patient and intelligent than you seem to think currently.
The info on the forensics is posted above, with links. The info on Mal's book and diary is posted above, also with links and transcription and care. The info on Emilio Lari's testimony and Yonge's, with references and comments are posted. (But unless you're a member of the Iamaphoney member site, you can't hear the whole interview with Lari.) And the voice comp information you can look up yourself. There are some good pages on that scattered around, one of them at PlasticMacca.
Not all work on the subject is good; not all of it is correct (even when it was a good attempt). But there is good work out there.
Good luck in understanding your world more patiently and properly, including what "habeas corpus" meant vs. what it means now: a proper body of evidence about what the facts of the case are.
GM seems to think that if you don't have a body, you don't have a murder. And if the paperwork was hidden, you don't have an event.
What drivel.
You can't argue it happened merely from the fact there's no evidence of dead body (except that image in MMT I found), and no paperwork: that would be arguing from the lack of evidence in those fields.
But you can say a) it could have happened, and then b) find the evidence you have, the positive proof of a NEW, and LIVE body: Paul#2.
If GM can't think that through and understand that the forensics are quite real (on the new Paul compared to the old), and a few researchers getting the double and the original a bit confused because of mannerisms in a video, then he doesn't understand evidence. I'd hate to have him on any jury where it was a complex case until he