tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post8153152431539539955..comments2024-03-02T21:58:21.667-08:00Comments on The Real Deal with Jim Fetzer podcast: Allan WeisbeckerUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-89380989973296633652013-06-25T07:18:26.227-07:002013-06-25T07:18:26.227-07:00I really have no issues with anything here that An...I really have no issues with anything here that Andy has said except that he described the differences between myself or my forum, Lets Roll Forums, and that of Simon Shack and his Clues forum as a “rivalry”. It is this that I have issue with. It is by no means a “rivalry” and never was. Rivalry according to definition is the following; [the action, position, or relation of a rival or rivals; competition: rivalry between Yale and Harvard.] <br /><br />Myself and others at my forum held out an olive branch to Simon Shack and his entire forum, while Simon Shack antagonistically and intentionally mischaracterized our work and demonized not only myself but the entire forum. Simon Shack in one of his postings at Lets Roll Forums, even made the claim that our entire forum is “government agents”, a ridiculous and disingenuous claim at best. <br /><br />After nearly 1 - 1 ½ years of holding out this olive branch to Simon Shack and his forum, it became clear to me that there was something else motivating Simon Shack then a pursuit of the simple truth. Upon discovery of the fact that Simon Shacks brother was a business associate of the Bin Ladin Family, I finally concluded in my own mind that that was as obvious as possibly could be, and an explanation which satisfied all of my doubts and curiosities about Simon Shacks odd and illogical behavior. You can see here that Simons brother Mario is or was a race car driver and also a recipient of a large enough amount of free money in the form of sponsorship to have the Bin Ladin name plastered all over his race car, making him one person removed from associations to the Bin Ladin family.<br /><br />http://letsrollforums.com/simon-shacks-brother-mario-t28060.html<br /><br />So to describe the friction between myself and Simon Hytten (Simon Shacks real name) as a rivalry gives the impression there was some sort of competition or that we were somehow engaged in a fight for 'top spot' in the Temple of Truth. Nothing could be further from the truth. Simon Shack very aggressively attacked both myself and our entire forum, relentlessly, since the beginning of the bulk of our discoveries that the entire drama of 9/11 was nothing more then an elaborate hoax, including the construction of the towers themselves. <br /><br />Myself and most others at my forum believe the towers were built mostly hollow and empty from day one, having perhaps only 20-30 floors each, mostly on the bottom, and that even these floors were eventually removed after the 1993 bombing to prepare the Hollow Towers for the purpose of their construction, a never ending final series of wars in the Middle East and world for total control of resources and to neutralize opposition to the Bankers control of this earths global resources. <br /><br />http://letsrollforums.com/world-trade-center-hollow-t21572.html<br /><br />Truth never stays suppressed forever. It eventually always and inevitably rises to its rightful position and I believe that eventually, most people will see the Twin Towers for what they were on 9/11. Hollow, empty, completely gutted with not a single soul inside. 9/11 was one of the most elaborate hoaxes in the history of our world with the Twin Towers being the largest stage or set ever constructed.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />Phil Jayhan<br />Admin & Owner of Lets Roll Forums<br />http://letsrollforums.com<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Phil Jayhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06428328389133356964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-12566059463282304682013-06-25T07:14:00.858-07:002013-06-25T07:14:00.858-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Jayhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06428328389133356964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-46144488490728608462013-06-14T16:24:21.237-07:002013-06-14T16:24:21.237-07:00I dont get it, where is Harrit saying he does not ...I dont get it, where is Harrit saying he does not know who judy Wood is? It is Harrits "claim" he does not know who Judy Wood is that Weisbecker says makes Harrit a liar. Where does Harrit say that? I cant hear it?<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx0Vht2tNi0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-1395952658191403252013-06-14T04:04:14.503-07:002013-06-14T04:04:14.503-07:00"I am simply holding this Weisbecckerdude to ..."I am simply holding this Weisbecckerdude to his own (lying) standards."<br /><br />"Every force is directed energy"<br /><br />Every forces is not weapon. You are doing an ad hominem attack on Allan. <br /><br />I agree with Allan. Harrit is begging the question.<br /><br />911truthnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14932911952958707253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-45969890738690318432013-06-11T09:55:04.666-07:002013-06-11T09:55:04.666-07:00Judy Wood is as obvious an cointel operative as yo...Judy Wood is as obvious an cointel operative as you would expect from Obamas incompetent administration, together with Pete Santilli, Ed Charini, et al. Judy Wood has notheory, sha has a book with "evidence" put together by some intelligence operation, she doesent even know herself what is in the book. And she has no theory whatsoever. Every force is directed energy, even an airplaine. Mr Weisbecker goes on at great length proving Harrit is a liar because Haritt pretends not to know who Judy Wood is in an interview. I look at it "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx0Vht2tNi0<br /><br />Notice how at first he pretends that he doesn't even know who Judy Wood is. then he says "no one knows what Judy Wood is talking about.' So his pretense that he never heard of her was a lie. Face it, a Lie."<br />and Harrit never makes a claim not to know who Judy Wood is. I am simply holding this Weisbecckerdude to his own (lying) standards. Defend yourself Weisbecker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-21614317872378122702013-06-10T15:29:14.359-07:002013-06-10T15:29:14.359-07:00Wow. I don't think Allan is the one telling a...Wow. I don't think Allan is the one telling a lie.<br /><br />00:15 NH - "What do you mean directed energy weapon?"<br /><br />00:58 HP - "It would basically answer some of the questions you had earlier ... She has some potentials answers for that."<br /><br />1:09 NH - "No she doesn't. Nobody knows what Judy Wood is talking about."<br /><br />911truthnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14932911952958707253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-68970033156949372292013-06-09T21:34:35.098-07:002013-06-09T21:34:35.098-07:00not impressed with substance or presentation. It&#...not impressed with substance or presentation. It's the lack of accounting, I suppose. If your a fan of the list of indigent 3rd tier researchers and investigators then your boy or girl took a hit from the thruther guy. So muddled was the presentments on each that I said to mysyelf 'get serious'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-75977128253575339352013-06-08T03:32:18.653-07:002013-06-08T03:32:18.653-07:00no mistake and I really dont know why you lie.no mistake and I really dont know why you lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-56259714230322011452013-06-07T09:33:35.619-07:002013-06-07T09:33:35.619-07:00I agree with that Andy. So until I personally know...I agree with that Andy. So until I personally know one of the firemen dying from cancer at an abnormally young age, I will look with a jaundiced eye; but blowing those towers away with overkill and not much regard for the collateral damage of a few who are paid to go away and die in relative obscurity from poisons and/or radiation they were subjected to seems a more plausible scenario to me than hollowed-out towers, secretly-evacuated lower Manhattan and actors. I remember the screams of fear and disbelief as the towers came down and they certainly felt authentic to my core. Even Dan Rather's comments on Building 7, where you can tell he's at a loss for words, indicate genuine surprise, to me. Mick Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795898155480383260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-38300862195041901712013-06-07T09:06:30.473-07:002013-06-07T09:06:30.473-07:00Not to distract from this serious discussion but I...Not to distract from this serious discussion but I can't help but request your feedback on this sobering 30 second clip of a survivor. Truly shocking ;)<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udS-OcNtSWoConstructorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14469345469542778969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-51553693557488343722013-06-07T08:43:06.380-07:002013-06-07T08:43:06.380-07:00Well, if you search for the research threads, Cons...Well, if you search for the research threads, Constructor, you'll find there is both circumstantial evidence and eyewitness recollection which suggest that even before the extensive out-migration of genuine tenants that followed the '93 bombing the towers had many floors that were locked off and empty -- possibly never even finished at the time of construction. Andy Tymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09215870996074492489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-19683641840428320782013-06-07T08:34:18.796-07:002013-06-07T08:34:18.796-07:00Because of the intel agencies' long-establishe...Because of the intel agencies' long-established ability to plant disinfo (part truth, part fiction) stories in the mainstream media, it behooves serious 9/11 researchers to cast a jaundiced eye not only on the immediate news coverage of that staged event/psyop, but also on the long stream of follow-up coverage -- to try, painstakingly, to sift wheat from the chaff.<br /><br />Just precisely WHAT went on and WHAT was found in the rubble, during the protracted period of "ground-zero reclamation" is also very difficult to decipher, amidst the intentionally injected miasma of 'shopped images, contradictory reporting, and impossible memoirs (Willie R. being a particularly egregious example). Andy Tymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09215870996074492489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-31054388491491414532013-06-07T07:51:24.182-07:002013-06-07T07:51:24.182-07:00Gentlemen,
I’m reading with an open and intrigued ...Gentlemen,<br />I’m reading with an open and intrigued mind. But how does one then account for the increase in mesothelioma, exotic cancers and all the other illnesses of the first responders? Are they actors as well? While looking into Sandy Hook and Boston one cannot help but conclude there is acting dupery being played upon us, the idea that the demolitions we were shown were on TV ONLY tends toward the implausible, IMHO. Wouldn’t that also mean there was no molten steel, which means those aerial heat patterns we’ve seen and the reports of melting boots are also false; leading to no need for dump trucks full of dirt and millions of gallons of water on the pile, bones atop adjacent buildings, all the different camera angles (and audio) of the demolitions (many more I think than we have of “planes” hitting – I can see how THOSE images could be controlled). <br /><br />It seems one would have to systematically discard chunk after chunk of evidence, ultimately leading to complete solipsism.<br />This is a disabling point of view, no different from the unaware people that I try to “wake up” who concede that, while there is indeed something “fishy” about 9/11, “Well (shrug), even if it IS true, what can ya do about it?” Then they go right back to their harried lives. That I believe is the aim of disinfo. Like Dr. Fetzer often quotes – everything is believable and nothing is knowable. <br />Mick Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795898155480383260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-30619893530727426782013-06-07T06:31:37.062-07:002013-06-07T06:31:37.062-07:00So, to clarify, does the hollowed-out towers theor...So, to clarify, does the hollowed-out towers theory state that somehow the concrete floors and even some steel structural components were removed prior to the demolition. Because, regardless of how much office furniture, etc. would have been in the towers under normal use, it seems the bulk of the debris following conventional demolition would still have been concrete and steel. Is removing these structural components prior to collapse possible if they are needed to support the building? Or does the theory state something else. Thanks.Constructorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14469345469542778969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-90919707228271318712013-06-07T06:22:40.786-07:002013-06-07T06:22:40.786-07:00By the way, the subject matter of my interview was...By the way, the subject matter of my interview was 'The alternative media' -- which is one reason why i didn't cover every other subject under the sun. I did work in a reference to 'fake plane crashes' (if you were listening). Here's a bit more on that subject (which actually is about media complicity):<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty6YsS1oUpMAC Weisbeckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899252153704916483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-72787167706951433882013-06-07T06:17:21.158-07:002013-06-07T06:17:21.158-07:00On a lighter note, check out 'It's Not Abo...On a lighter note, check out 'It's Not About the Nail' here<br /><br />http://vimeo.com/jheadley<br /><br />The subtext re back and forth debates cracks me up...AC Weisbeckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899252153704916483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-48928183492266417532013-06-07T06:06:38.597-07:002013-06-07T06:06:38.597-07:00you're not listening carefully. btw, no need t...you're not listening carefully. btw, no need to accuse me of lying. maybe i'm mistaken, maybe you are. does not mean one of us is lying. i would have no motive to lie here, would i?AC Weisbeckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899252153704916483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-47207600722397393752013-06-07T04:03:23.030-07:002013-06-07T04:03:23.030-07:00Andy, I think you're right to put James Corbet...Andy, I think you're right to put James Corbett (and Webster Tarpley) in a different category from Alex Jones. I'd like to have heard the rest of the call-in from Corbett (in a clip Allan Weisbecker played in the early minutes of the <i>Real Deal</i> interview) and hear what he thinks of G Edward Griffin. I'd locate Corbett and his mentor, <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/" rel="nofollow">Michel Chossudovsky</a>, politically within the socialist left, perhaps even within the Marxist left, so I'd have been interested in what he thought about Griffin and Griffin's <i>The Creature from Jekyll Island</i>, the first half of which I regard highly but the second half I regard as a vicious slander against Marx and the Marxist movement, of the sort I'd expect from an admirer of Hitler or a Ku Klux Klan Nazi such as David Duke, who has been known to associate closely with German Nazis and neo-Nazis. Corbett's "<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrunnLcG9Q" rel="nofollow">9/11 - The Truth In 5 Minutes</a>" is brilliant and informative, but he has never gotten very deeply into the science behind 9/11. Like Tarpley, he spends his time on the politics. <br /> <br />At a time when I was following Alex Jones regularly, he had (anti-Zionist researcher) Ralph Schoenman on as a guest. As soon as Ralph was off the phone and wasn't there to defend himself, Alex slandered him viciously on the air. Alex Jones is a cowardly little bully who slanders his betters. <br /> <br />Incidentally, Allan Weisbecker said (beginning at minute 49:00 of the interview) that "O'Neill and his girl friend stayed in a little town in southern Spain--I'm looking for the name of it--in Catalonia...". This is an innocent mistake, but a big one: Catalonia is in the <i>northeastern</i> corner of Spain. It also shows that Allan has never taken any interest in the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939--a critical event in the 20th century that Eric Blair (George Orwell) participated in and wrote about in his book <i>Homage to Catalonia</i>, his title indicating his recognition of the crucial role played by Catalonia in the Spanish struggle against 1930s fascism. This mistake, which Allan made twice, <i>didn't distract</i>, however, from the facts Allan was giving us; but it <i>does show</i> that even an honest and careful researcher can make an innocent mistake. Even a big one.<br /> <br />Relating to Wood and her cult, Henrik Palmgren, host of <i>Red Ice Radio</i>, recently devoted a full program to answer a slander against him and <i>RIR</i> that appeared on the website of Wood's knight-protector, Andrew Johnson, who called Palmgren and his researchers a "disinformation-promotion brigade" (according to Henrik) and who claimed that they shield "disinformationists" such as, among others, Kevin Barrett (according to Johnson). The first hour of the program is available <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY-Nr9OGmzk" rel="nofollow"><b>here</b></a> on YouTube(c). In the program on Andrew Johnson, Henrik goes extensively into his hosting policy. <br /> <br />I consider <i>Red Ice Radio</i> a valuable resource. As a good example, Henrik did a four-part series not long ago with <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/RedIceRadio/search?query=Ole+Dammeg%C3%A5rd" rel="nofollow">Ole Dammegård</a>, author of <i>Coup d'etat in Slow Motion</i>, a book about the Olof Palme assassination that shows remarkable parallels with the JFK assassination. I'd also recommend his interview with Joseph Atwill about his groundbreaking work <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuqwmMpV2oo" rel="nofollow"><i>Caesar's Messiah</i></a>.<br /> <br />By the way, Andy, I enjoyed your long, two-part comment below, showing your rich command of the known facts and other facts that often go overlooked. It was a terrific summary! Atlanta Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13731574644449276796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-16359706227939207792013-06-07T02:36:18.396-07:002013-06-07T02:36:18.396-07:00Andy summed up 9/11 brilliantly. The lack of debri...Andy summed up 9/11 brilliantly. The lack of debris is easily accounted for with the hollowed out towers theory. They had almost a decade to slowly empty out the WTC. Perhaps only a fraction of floors EVER existed. I'm always amazed how serious "researchers" don't reach the conclusions that Andy (and myself) have reached in a few weeks. Logically there's no where else to go.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08194922557894924116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-54838061602551530282013-06-07T00:16:51.980-07:002013-06-07T00:16:51.980-07:00(continuing) The "Let's Roll" resea...(continuing) The "Let's Roll" researchers have done their best work compiling evidence demonstrating that by the end of the 1990s the WTC towers were mostly vacant shells, populated by "ghost workers" for a handful of giant financial/brokerage firms whose actual business was high-frequency traded from remote locations. Observation-deck tourism, "Windows on the World" restaurant trade, and TV-tower transmission functions did go on at the very top floors, while the commuter-train and retail-shop traffic at ground levels added to the illusion that the WTC was still a densely populated "city within a city".<br /><br />The "Clues Forum" investigators' work, while it does overlap with that of the aforementioned forum, is at its strongest point where it exposes the blatant use of face-morphing software, cut-and-paste image recycling, and algorhthmical name generation -- in the construction of a mostly bogus, CNN-maintained "9/11 Memorial" website that has also been mirrored elsewhere and now has a stately, hard-copy home at the site of Manhattan's new 9/11 Shrine. Another major investigative accomplishment of the Clues sleuths is their brilliant deconstruction of the intricate photo and video fakery that successfully implanted, in the hearts and minds of a psyop-shocked public, a massively falsified vision of "hijacked planes" (whose flight data is thoroughly contradicted by the venerable BTS database plus Newtonian physics) and "structural collapses" (impossibly instigated by kerosene fires) that would swiftly "justify" a ghastly acceleration in the (already underway) transformation of the USA into a warmongering, surveillance-besotted, modern version of Nazi Germany. <br />Andy Tymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09215870996074492489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-33889631646913728952013-06-07T00:10:57.018-07:002013-06-07T00:10:57.018-07:00Possible, Constructor, very possible, but not esse...Possible, Constructor, very possible, but not essential to the plot, IMHO. Yes, I do remember the gigantic "army of dump trucks" that Mayor Rudy reportedly commandeered literally overnight, followed by his hurried next-morning news conference to "explain" why the rubble pile was so small. But much of the nuke or DEW-suggesting photo/video "evidence" continues to be of highly suspect provenance, too, along with the wildly conflicting news accounts of long-lasting fires and ground-zero heat, albeit with on-site workers being pictured (or Photoshopped) as if immune to the temperature and flames.<br /><br />Andy Tymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09215870996074492489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-15167159877280774892013-06-06T22:39:17.686-07:002013-06-06T22:39:17.686-07:00I followed the link and you lie.
Harrit never pret...I followed the link and you lie.<br />Harrit never pretended to no know who Judy Wood is. Whats up with that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-16617947931429898352013-06-06T22:32:21.359-07:002013-06-06T22:32:21.359-07:00Judy Wood, Pete Santilli and Ed Chairini work for ...Judy Wood, Pete Santilli and Ed Chairini work for the government. Jones is absolutely doing the right thing NOT to go after jews as a race of people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-34005678495058250262013-06-06T21:47:09.246-07:002013-06-06T21:47:09.246-07:00Andy, I agree with essentially everything in this ...Andy, I agree with essentially everything in this post. However one item stands out. It is the rapid removal, that would have been required, of the huge amount of debris that would have remained with conventional demolition of the two towers. It seems hardly doable in a few days. What about some type of non-conventional demolition but still within the general scenario you describe above?Constructorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14469345469542778969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-85468266147727259962013-06-06T21:29:04.305-07:002013-06-06T21:29:04.305-07:00(continuing) The "Let's Roll" resea...(continuing) The "Let's Roll" researchers have done their best work compiling evidence demonstrating that by the end of the 1990s the WTC towers were mostly vacant shells, populated by "ghost workers" for a handful of giant financial/brokerage firms whose actual business was high-frequency traded from remote locations. Observation-deck tourism, "Windows on the World" restaurant trade, and TV-tower transmission functions did go on at the very top floors, while the commuter-train and retail-shop traffic at ground levels added to the illusion that the WTC was still a densely populated "city within a city".<br /><br />The "Clues Forum" investigators' work, while it does overlap with that of the aforementioned forum, is at its strongest point where it exposes the blatant use of face-morphing software, cut-and-paste image recycling, and algorhthmical name generation -- in the construction of a mostly bogus, CNN-maintained "9/11 Memorial" website that has also been mirrored elsewhere and now has a stately, hard-copy home at the site of Manhattan's new 9/11 Shrine. <br /><br />Another major investigative accomplishment of the Clues sleuths is their brilliant deconstruction of the intricate photo and video fakery that successfully implanted, in the hearts and minds of a psyop-shocked public, a massively falsified vision of "hijacked planes" (whose flight data is thoroughly contradicted by the venerable BTS database plus Newtonian physics) and "structural collapses" (impossibly instigated by kerosene fires) that would swiftly "justify" a ghastly acceleration in the (already underway) transformation of the USA into a warmongering, surveillance-besotted, modern version of Nazi Germany. <br />Andy Tymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09215870996074492489noreply@blogger.com