tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post7096360505850301040..comments2024-03-02T21:58:21.667-08:00Comments on The Real Deal with Jim Fetzer podcast: Art OlivierUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger150125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-26745809105124430832014-01-28T15:07:52.409-08:002014-01-28T15:07:52.409-08:00Don Faux said: "The Winter Garden was complet...Don Faux said: "The Winter Garden was completely destroyed by North Tower debris and had to be rebuilt. "<br /><br />And yet, in your VT article "Busting 9/11 Myths", concerning what you allege is depicted in the allegedly " live" tower collapse videos: <br /><br />http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/19/busting-911-myths-nanothermite-big-nukes-and-dews/<br /><br /> you claim : "...the Twin Towers are exploding in every direction from the top down. The buildings are being converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust....." <br /><br />You cannot have it both ways, Faux. <br /><br />Either the nuke explosions converted everything, "top down", "into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust" , as you claim, or they instead hurled giant pieces of unconverted debris 100's of yards, destroying other buildings, as you also claim.<br /><br />So which is it? <br /><br />Furthermore, if everything _was_ converted to very fine dust as you so cavalierly claim, what about all of those supposedly "real" post collapse photos showing gigantic sections of girders till standing in the debris pile, as well as all of the girder sections lying around with firemen gallantly standing on them?<br /><br /> How come they were not all "converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust" also? Hmmmmmmmmmmm? [ Hint: the post collapse debris photos are as fake as the collapse sequence videos .] <br /><br />Very selective, these mini nukes, it seems, in what they decide to convert "into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust" .<br /><br />Apparently just as selective as J. Wood's alleged direct energy weapons, it would appear :-) <br /><br />As to the trustworthiness of _any_ of the WTC1 collapse sequence videos, here's Simon's analysis of 3 entirely contradictory alleged "live" WTC1 collapse sequences, from "PENTTBOM" , Ettiene Sauret, and NBC: <br /><br />http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=802&p=2353593&hilit=Sauret#p2353593<br /><br />Notice how from the same viewpoint, the WTC1 antenna falls in one direction in the Sauret video, yet in the opposite direction in the NBC sequence of the same event. <br /><br />Enjoy :-) obf.Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-90660860020188626502014-01-28T05:27:09.292-08:002014-01-28T05:27:09.292-08:00Videos of the North Tower "collapse" sho...Videos of the North Tower "collapse" show debris being ejected up at a 45° angle and out 600+ feet into the Winter Garden. <a href="http://mceer.buffalo.edu/publications/wtc/02-SP02Screen.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Winter Garden was completely destroyed by North Tower debris</a> and had to be rebuilt. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/22/nyregion/at-the-winter-garden-the-rebuilding-begins.html" rel="nofollow">This was widely reported in the media</a> and there are multiple witnesses to substantiate the destruction and rebuilding of the Winter Garden. <br /><br />If the videos depict what happened with the North Tower demo how can they be fake?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-45999520276609217482014-01-27T03:42:39.143-08:002014-01-27T03:42:39.143-08:00Don Faux said :"If a video shows us exactly w...Don Faux said :"If a video shows us exactly what happened how can it be fake?" <br /><br />Exactly how do you know it shows "exactly what happened"?<br /><br />obfOnebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-41142054850046182532014-01-26T20:00:12.485-08:002014-01-26T20:00:12.485-08:00Of course Don, of course it can be faked, of cours...Of course Don, of course it can be faked, of course. <br /><br />How do you know what exactly happened anyway? Studying an movie?<br /><br />Why did they use actor with talcum on his head and jacket to confirm what happened in the movie they aired on "live" news if they had real witnesses? Because they didn't have any witnesses that could tell what they needed, so they used actors like this to tell the story they wanted (2m33s): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2c4DRR_150El Buggohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16712858108337814462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-13891720999990496952014-01-26T15:00:52.521-08:002014-01-26T15:00:52.521-08:00I'll try to re-phrase this AGAIN for you dipsh...I'll try to re-phrase this AGAIN for you dipshit:<br /><br />If a video shows us exactly what happened how can it be fake?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-27875704983530608122014-01-26T14:50:08.170-08:002014-01-26T14:50:08.170-08:00Don Faux said : "You didn't address the p...Don Faux said : "You didn't address the part about the videos showing us what actually happened - i.e. the destruction of the Winter Garden by debris from the North Tower. Not only do all of the videos depict the same thing it matches up with what we see when it's all said and done. What part of the North Tower demolition was faked?" <br /><br />My entire point was/is that if all of the collapse videos "hang together" , the fact of their "hanging together", does not/ would not/could not prove that they were all necessarily genuine. <br /><br />Simple enough [except for simpletons, apparently :-)] <br /><br />Now get back to your beginners reading comprehension class, Faux, and take peabrain Greenhalgh back with you while you're at it. <br /><br />obf.Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-86245370676026636952014-01-26T14:27:46.761-08:002014-01-26T14:27:46.761-08:00He didn't make a single worthwhile point, he n...He didn't make a single worthwhile point, he never does, all he ever does is spout some airy-fairy nonsense about 'the scientfiic method'.Ian Greenhalghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10688759161975670079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-45198246205841397132014-01-26T12:39:50.943-08:002014-01-26T12:39:50.943-08:00You didn't address the part about the videos s...You didn't address the part about the videos showing us what actually happened - i.e. the destruction of the Winter Garden by debris from the North Tower. Not only do all of the videos depict the same thing it matches up with what we see when it's all said and done. What part of the North Tower demolition was faked?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-82519150987319781972014-01-25T23:26:02.335-08:002014-01-25T23:26:02.335-08:00nail on head obf. nail on head.nail on head obf. nail on head.psheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00450736873877898876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-62534444703871550482014-01-25T15:33:57.562-08:002014-01-25T15:33:57.562-08:00Don Faux said : " Fetzer makes a great point ... Don Faux said : " Fetzer makes a great point that the videos of the Tower's destruction "all hang together."<br /><br /> The idea that if "everything hangs together" in 911 videos then they are all genuine defies the laws of logic and critical thinking.<br /><br /> If one assumes, for the sake of argument, that the various collapse videos actually _do_ "hang together" , that fact alone cannot, and does not conclusively prove that they are not all fakes- it could just as easily mean that they were all manufactured on computers from the same, single "seed" source video, using the same software .<br /><br /> It can never conclusively "prove" that they are all genuine - if they really did all "hang together" the best that could be said is that there is a 50:50 chance that they are genuine, and a 50:50 chance they are not.<br /><br /> Inconclusive both ways. [i.e further , more specific analysis would still be required to prove them authentic or fake].<br /><br />The same is true for all the Fl175 "plane into building" videos, which Richard Hall, and Fetzer, likewise claim all "hang together" to use Fetzer's terms.<br /><br /> In point of fact , and just as with the collapse videos, they don't all "hang together" [as I show in my article examining the Hall hypothesis] , but if, for the sake of argument, we assume the "plane into building" videos _did_ actually all "hang together", logically speaking that fact alone would not, and could not conclusively prove that they are all genuine [at least to someone employing logic :-) ]<br /><br /> As with the collapse videos, the odds could still be no better than 50:50 that they were in fact genuine if they all hung together - and they could all still just as easily be fakes.<br /><br /> Again, further, more specific testing and comparison would be required by the scientist to attempt to establish authenticity so that the videos [or photos] could be legitimately used by the scientist as evidence to formulate a hypothesis.<br /><br /> See: "Total 9/11 Video Fakery vs. Richard Hall's Holographic Plane Hypothesis: A Critique ":<br /><br /> http://onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2012/11/total-911-video-fakery-vs-richard-halls.html<br /><br />As a self-proclamed teacher of logic and critical thinking, Mr Fetzer should be ashamed of himself [ logically speaking :-) ] - however, his ongoing arrogance [to protect his extremely fragile ego, it seems] will no doubt prevent that emotion from ever occurring .<br /><br /> obf.Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-81426773144078259942014-01-25T09:29:33.159-08:002014-01-25T09:29:33.159-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-6420986829312260322014-01-25T04:50:08.794-08:002014-01-25T04:50:08.794-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-17731233655581341762014-01-24T08:53:25.359-08:002014-01-24T08:53:25.359-08:00@ pshea, if you are lucky enough to be irish you&#...@ pshea, if you are lucky enough to be irish you're lucky enough ||*( .<br /><br /> Klinically you may be korrect.<br /><br />Re- Radiohead, Close but no goldfish/cadillac.<br />The hit parade has done little damage on the AM or FM @ chez Typo since that very very nice, Pete"a vote for Labour would be a vote for communism, and may God have mercy on your soul" Murray invented daytime television, which was also nix'd from the gaff later that decade.<br /> No, Typoz Yantra, adopted as young man and worn on rugby shirt, rucksackz and foreheadz was inspired by the equally romantic,for some i'm sure, Priniplez of Doublethinkz fal$e Dogma.(very 80'z-1984) and that Ruzzian klazzik, NzFTUz.<br />"I admit that twice two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, twice two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too" <br />I know the rest?<br /> & coming up after the news and weather at the top of the hour, Terry Wogan will be chatting with a Transcending master from leicestersheershire, yes a chap calling himself, David eye.. eye, does that rhyme with stick? Is that supposed to be a silent k? <br />Play the record. <br /> <br />@motion Blur. BA @ Bratphut? Pub next t'theatre /close enough. t'was a kracker.Name escapes.<br /> Re: techreq. You can scrub through that. Not as many pixels as first thought ie. shitloadz and seemz ok for general snapping/smudging.<br />Typoerror on Airhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08448639981747754500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-66021009407013799632014-01-23T23:27:59.931-08:002014-01-23T23:27:59.931-08:00typoerror, you're craaazy, but I like you.
and...typoerror, you're craaazy, but I like you.<br />and craaazy in an insane world is sane enough for me. I may know somebody with similar problems to those your friend is fullup on. or I may not.<br />either way, I look forward to ian's professionally technical add vice.<br /><br />are we such dreamers to turn the world to right?<br />i'll stay home forever but.....<br /><br />well, you know the rest.psheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00450736873877898876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-90699740607468068082014-01-23T13:53:06.737-08:002014-01-23T13:53:06.737-08:00Simon,
You make a good point about the lack of br...Simon,<br /><br />You make a good point about the lack of brain power being utilized on planet Earth. Duly noted.<br /><br />For the record I personally PREFER the Sept Clues version of 9/11 to the actual 9/11. If nobody actually died hell I'd pack it up and go home. The problem is all of that pesky evidence for the WTC buildings being nuked with people in them. Chunks of bodies, 1/3 of the Towers completely vaporized and Lower Manhattan covered in a fine dust powder. Dynamite can't explain the persistently high temperatures that were between 600 and 2,000 °F at Ground Zero for 6 months after 9/11. <br /><br />Fetzer makes a great point that the videos of the Tower's destruction "all hang together." Let’s take the North Tower for example. All of the videos show it blowing apart from the top down and ejecting debris up at a 45° angle into the Winter Garden. What do we see when it’s all said and done? The Winter Garden destroyed by debris from the North Tower. What was fake about the North Tower demolition? They faked the videos in a way that showed us exactly what happened?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-70530518820490448652014-01-23T13:25:24.340-08:002014-01-23T13:25:24.340-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-74255842611062721782014-01-23T13:21:14.494-08:002014-01-23T13:21:14.494-08:00@photographer for 20 years, and I am somewhat qual...@photographer for 20 years, and I am somewhat qualified having a Batchelor's degree in Electronic Imaging and media Communications. <br /> <br />Hello/hi Ian. My given name is Kit which should have been Chris/Christopher but wasn't and may have led an incident involving family katz, My drunken aunt kitty and travelling folk, but enough of me. <br /> <br />My friend filip, after many yearz a slave to lenz, philter and developer fumez, recently got a bit of digi kit. It doesn't seem to manage anything "really" close up. He describes it with bit of photo tech waffle and then as it keeps "adjusting justiiin tind jus ti djustadjus perrrphect ktik eergh". <br /> <br />I suggested firmware update.(doing so leadz to forking out for extortionate proprietary battery by not recharging other brandz). He thinkz it must be precision clockwork gubbinz inside.The i-ching has too many moving linez to be sure. So thought i might be able to run it past you? Forgotten what make it is now.Plenty of pixelz if that helpz? Krz.<br /> <br />(please ignore if busy.or re-searching or)<br /> <br />Forget it.<br /> (Nice bit of chain)Typoerror on Airhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08448639981747754500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-48189437166617714862014-01-23T12:01:14.259-08:002014-01-23T12:01:14.259-08:00That's a very strange implication to draw from...That's a very strange implication to draw from what Don said.<br /><br />The only assertion Don made is that no-one is going to believe your BS, which is an opinion and therefore requires no proof.<br /><br />Come on Simon, I know English isn't your first language, but you at least need to try to understand! lolIan Greenhalghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10688759161975670079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-79669883913051867852014-01-23T11:35:12.797-08:002014-01-23T11:35:12.797-08:00"Don Fox" wrote:
"Sept Clues is a ..."Don Fox" wrote:<br /><br />"Sept Clues is a complete joke. There is no truth to any of it. Nobody with a brain is going to believe their "nobody died" and "off camera" demolition BS."<br /><br /><br /><br />Very well, Don sweetheart...<br /><br />So when you write "nobody with a brain is going to believe",.. are you implying that the majority of people on this (round) planet are using their brains to their full extent and capacity? And this, without any sort of impediment such as, for instance, the zillions of dollars spent in propaganda and mass brainwashing? If so, you will have to provide tangible and incontrovertible proof to back up this shaky assertion of yours. Good luck to you ! <br /><br />Simon Shack ;-)<br />norwegianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17995678585264337010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-17332334380007310852014-01-23T08:28:58.638-08:002014-01-23T08:28:58.638-08:00My god you spout a lot of nonsense. I ave never ca...My god you spout a lot of nonsense. I ave never called myself an expert in photo analysis, that is the sort of arrogance i leave to smug people like Shack and OBF. However, I have been a photographer for 20 years, and I am somewhat qualified having a Batchelor's degree in Electronic Imaging and media Communications.<br /><br />Why do you assume I haven't looked at Shack's work? I have, and that is why I say it is terribly flawed and invalid, you don't have to be an expert to see that, it's blatantly obvious.Ian Greenhalghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10688759161975670079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-64773830910984161602014-01-23T06:15:13.885-08:002014-01-23T06:15:13.885-08:00good to hear don. (part of the plan? par for the c...good to hear don. (part of the plan? par for the course?)<br /><br />and sure 'Nobody with a brain is going to believe their "nobody died" and "off camera" demolition BS'....somebodies with brains might well do so though!<br /><br />boom! boom!<br /><br />'like flies to wanton boys are we to the gods.<br />they kill us for their sport''<br /><br />what if we were Gods. do we 'kill' ourselves for the sport, only for to be reborn into greater truth?<br /><br />it's all in the game, EA!psheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00450736873877898876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-23975744351880000282014-01-23T05:21:26.082-08:002014-01-23T05:21:26.082-08:00The article has been reposted.
Sept Clues is a c...The article has been reposted. <br /><br />Sept Clues is a complete joke. There is no truth to any of it. Nobody with a brain is going to believe their "nobody died" and "off camera" demolition BS. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-86777157062612250182014-01-23T04:21:08.007-08:002014-01-23T04:21:08.007-08:00need I say again that ian greenhalf is not to be t...need I say again that ian greenhalf is not to be trusted? surely this is abundantly clear by now to all regular posters here. <br />he is over doing it though (deliberately?), and I am not quite unconvinced that this English john-ny come lately addition to the fetzer and veteran's today 'teams' entered the fray for the very purposes of advertently drawing wider attention to septemberclues and cluesforum's findings. <br />he appeared first on the realdeal to talk about 9/11 tv fakery, he is an expert in photo analysis, and yet he had never been through the work of septemberclues or cluesforums, which are probably the only (and most important) sites on the www that specialise in tv fakery investigation. go figure, eh? <br /><br />god save our glorious queen ian! <br /><br />psheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00450736873877898876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-10966542823696997212014-01-23T03:59:09.496-08:002014-01-23T03:59:09.496-08:00so it's not about truth there don, but revenue...so it's not about truth there don, but revenue. no matter, for all advertising is good advertising and this latest removal can only serve to heighten awareness of the issue itself and the truths to be found in simon's and hoi's 9/11 video and victim fakery analysis work. the informed observer can only further raise an eyebrow at these (feigned?) attempts to further censor it, here, there and elsewhere. psheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00450736873877898876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-31078355409400940832014-01-23T03:53:33.540-08:002014-01-23T03:53:33.540-08:00Don's correct, Ogilby's article was remove...Don's correct, Ogilby's article was removed due to it's intention of leading people to Shack's sites. It was a shockingly bad article anyways and completely out of place on a site like VT so no loss whatsoever. Ogilby might find himself booted from Vt altogether if he carries on shilling the way he has been, I got into a debate with him and he had nothing worthwhile to say, just trite rubbish that sounded like it was coming from the same script that Shack works to.<br /><br />As for OBF's posts, again, as Don says, they were removed because they were full of hyperlinks. Considering all of OBF's posts at VT were nothing more than the same BS we have to tolerate here and laced with ad hominen attacks then he really got what he deserved. People like OBF have no place among normal, rational people and hence, he got the boot.<br /><br />Shack and OBF seemed to think that the people at VT were stupid and would allow them to behave badly, they found out that isn't the case and I, for one, am delighted about it, it restored some of my faith in the common sense and morals of the VT editors.Ian Greenhalghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10688759161975670079noreply@blogger.com