tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post4882113142657855908..comments2024-03-02T21:58:21.667-08:00Comments on The Real Deal with Jim Fetzer podcast: Frankly SpeakingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger267125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-46191626215670821542019-07-20T03:54:16.023-07:002019-07-20T03:54:16.023-07:00Who really killed JFK? Was 9/11 an inside job? Wh...Who really killed JFK? Was 9/11 an inside job? Why is NASA hiding the Flat Earth?<br />These types of headlines used to be limited to tabloid printed newspapers found at the end of the grocery store check-out line. The part of the store where impulse purchases, which usually aren’t very healthy, like candy and chewing gum, are strategically placed.* Conspiracy theories are an addiction many of us just can’t quit.* But what about the impact this alt-culture has in the workplace?<br />http://www.snelgraphix.net/the-snelgraphix-designing-minds-blog/2019/7/17/organizational-conspiracy-theoriesKevin's Insighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02330926045745134030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-57902421797866669802015-09-25T08:57:50.257-07:002015-09-25T08:57:50.257-07:00The degree of defensive whining/complaining indulg...The degree of defensive whining/complaining indulged in by Mr Fetzer with reference to yours truly [obf] , is very revealing, to say the least :-) .<br /><br />onebornfree.Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-43654869998243088792015-09-25T08:42:31.507-07:002015-09-25T08:42:31.507-07:00To repeat:
[09/25/15] I've just relistened t...To repeat: <br /><br />[09/25/15] I've just relistened to this podcast , and the slandering of my name by both "Franklyspeaking" and Mr Fetzer is "off the chart" disgusting. <br /><br />I have NEVER, NEVER , either here, or anywhere else, implicated Jews, Israel and all that crap. I've actually laughed at the "theory", more often than not. <br /><br />Fetzer , you make me sick.<br /><br />No regards, onebornfree. Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-61347858403168753232015-09-25T08:41:43.183-07:002015-09-25T08:41:43.183-07:00[09/25/15] I've just relistened to this podcas...[09/25/15] I've just relistened to this podcast , and the slandering of my name by both "Franklyspeaking" and Mr Fetzer is "off the chart" disgusting. <br /><br />I have NEVER, NEVER , either here, or anywhere else, implicated Jews, Israel and all that crap. I've actually laughed at the "theory", more often than not. <br /><br />Fetzer , you make me sick.<br /><br />No regards, onebornfree. Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-31493981201318640492014-06-24T04:12:58.627-07:002014-06-24T04:12:58.627-07:00When debating OBF and Shack, why does no one menti...When debating OBF and Shack, why does no one mention Niels Harrit and University of Copenhagen, and more importantly: RJ Lee Group?<br /><br />After the towers collapsed Deutsche Bank sued WTC for cleanup costs, alleging that dust from the towers had coated its building's interior. WTC denied the dust resulted from the events of 9/11¸ so DB hired RJ Lee to test over 100,000 samples of dust.<br /><br />RJL found that the dust was rife with molten iron spheres (evenly distributed in samples), 150x more than is normal in building dust, which corroborates both Harrit's and USGS. RJL also found evidence of vaporized lead which requires temperatures of 3,180 degrees F. The suit was settled and WTC paid for cleanup.<br /><br />All three studies corroborate each other, so arguments about chain of custody, government documents being faked, etc, hold no water. All three sources corroborate each other, there is no history of fraud from the sources, and there is no confluence of interest whatsoever between the sources.<br /><br />In my opinion, OBF, (along with Shack and Ace Baker, who tainted the evidence they presented by making themselves look mentally ill via bizarre music videos, fake suicides , and ridiculous song segues in psy opera), is a shill and should not be taken seriously. He is here to inflame people and divide the movement, evidenced by his trolling (taunting posters, laughing at them, etc) here and extremely rude antics (such as playing guitar in the background during the debate with Don Fox and then pretending he didn't realize it was audible).<br /><br />Their theories of media fakery are partially correct, but they take it too far and lead the movement into the everything-is-fake -and-there-is-no-reliable-evidence-and-no-way-to-prove-anything trap. There was plenty of fakery, but IMO the buildings were nuked and at least some people died. IMO the no-planes-nuke theory (w possible aid of nanothermite in weakening structure pre-blast) is the only theory currently viable.<br /><br />Please make mention of U of Copenhagen and especially RJ Lee Group in any discussion of USGS dust samples. Also, Jim Fetzer- please allow commenting without having to have Google, Facebook, or other corporate account.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-18659571968764297082014-03-10T02:37:31.196-07:002014-03-10T02:37:31.196-07:00Clare, if I need Don's views on anything I ca...Clare, if I need Don's views on anything I can ask him...<br /><br />But thanks for the effort...<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457403837436503928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-5353033022920596672014-03-09T22:36:00.581-07:002014-03-09T22:36:00.581-07:00Jim Hollander:
the only thing linking your impres...Jim Hollander:<br /><br />the only thing linking your impression is your fanaticism. I mentioned a number of major points up there. Handle them.Clare Kuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767270035823206231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-61486379586841397342014-03-09T15:17:28.075-07:002014-03-09T15:17:28.075-07:00A word to Ian Greenhalgh, you mentioned about Stan...A word to Ian Greenhalgh, you mentioned about Stanton Friedman being a gatekeeper.<br /><br />Here's the thing: If you're a newbie at a subject, you can still learn a lot about a subject from a gatekeeper. Noam Chomsky is the most famous example. He has taught millions of people about problems with Zionism, imperialism, the media, etc., BUT he doesn't discuss 9/11 and Israel (or at all). But there are still things that you can learn from him on other topics.<br /><br />You mentioned Stanton Friedman being a gatekeeper but maybe he's just super, super conservative, which isn't a bad thing. If you feel that the whole truth is larger than what he says, then just move beyond him.Frankly Speakinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13203954120661228854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-29954251034942103332014-03-09T09:48:40.948-07:002014-03-09T09:48:40.948-07:00Ian,
"I can't help but think you don'...Ian,<br /><br />"I can't help but think you don't understand Jim's argument that the footage all hangs together."<br /><br />Ian, I clearly stated that <br /><br />"Meanwhile, my theory, that the images were CGI, have the following responsibilities:<br /><br />1. That all footage showing the collapse were manufactured by a fakery factory so that it shows a coherent whole. "<br /><br />OF COURSE I understood his argument.Frankly Speakinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13203954120661228854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-4182838547663835802014-03-09T08:53:53.472-07:002014-03-09T08:53:53.472-07:00Greenhalgh said :" Well, why don't you ma... Greenhalgh said :" Well, why don't you make yourself more aware, then you will avoid spouting crap as usual."<br /><br />So why don't you enlighten me/us here , [ie in typed words] oh great one, as to exactly what Fetzer's "new" position is as regards to all of the videos[network and other] with Fl. 175 imagery shown? <br /><br />Are you claiming that Fetzer no longer believes Hall's preposterous hologram hypothesis, and that those videos he [Hall] "analyzed" Fetzer now believes are 100% CGI [ ie _no_ genuine live imagery included in any part of _any_ of them]? <br /><br />I/we are all ears :-) <br /><br />obf. <br /><br />p..s For anyone out there interested, I will be debating Don Fox, live on John Friends radio show at 2pm PST [5 pm EST] today. John will be accepting cal-ins during the 2nd hour, as I understand it. <br /><br />Here is the link John gave me for the show :<br /><br /> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/the-realist-report/2014/03/09/911-debateOnebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-74884041567320095902014-03-09T07:17:04.335-07:002014-03-09T07:17:04.335-07:00Frank doesn't have my position just right--the...Frank doesn't have my position just right--the idea that the cubes of 10 floors each might be taken out, one by one per second, was an illustration of how it might have been done. But his comments clarify his position:<br /><br />Here is a clarification of another issue: What are the responsibilities that you take on when you have a theory for whether the footage for the Towers is fake, or not.<br /><br />I wanted to add a bit to the discussion of whether the footage of the Towers collapsing was CGI, or real. This is just another way of saying it. For every theory, there is a responsibility. IF Jim Fetzer's theory, that the collapse footage is all real is true, there is a responsibility that:<br /><br />1. The perps were able to make the perimeter columns of the WTC bow inward, as if under enormous stress.<br />Please see this http://www.nmsr.org/nmsr911a.htm for the perimeter columns.<br /><br />2. The columns must snap and the Tower falls, snuffing out the fire in the 81st floor fire-region.<br /><br />3. The shattering of exterior concrete begins, and it is thrown away from the building in a smooth, continuous fashion.<br /><br />4. Question: If there are a sequence of neutron bombs once every 10 seconds, why does the pulverization of concrete NOT appear as a sequence of "puffs", once every 10 seconds? Why is there a smooth, continuous ejection of pulverized dust?<br /><br />5. How could you arrange for the pulverization of dust to be smooth and continuous? How would you know if your efforts were right?<br /><br />Meanwhile, my theory, that the images were CGI, have the following responsibilities:<br /><br />1. That all footage showing the collapse were manufactured by a fakery factory so that it shows a coherent whole. Jim has already agreed that the planes hitting the Towers were produced by such a fakery factory, so the question is whether the collapse video was also done that way.<br /><br />I wont give a conclusion here, but I want everyone to understand that each theory has certain responsibilities for the theory to be true. You can judge what is possible and impossible.Jim Fetzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16693289419736393961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-88939075884201267232014-03-09T06:47:31.868-07:002014-03-09T06:47:31.868-07:00As far as you are aware...
Well, why don't y...As far as you are aware...<br /><br /><br />Well, why don't you make yourself more aware, then you will avoid spouting crap as usual.<br /><br />Jim is well aware of the fakery in the videos and has covered it in several of his shows including the first one featuring myself and at least two of those featuring Allan Weisbacker.<br /><br />OBF trolling as usual and wrong as usual, oh how predictable.Ian Greenhalghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10688759161975670079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-54148455929775290942014-03-09T06:24:12.544-07:002014-03-09T06:24:12.544-07:00Frankly Speaking said : "Jim has already agre...Frankly Speaking said : "Jim has already agreed that the planes hitting the Towers were produced by such a fakery factory.." <br /><br />Not true.<br /><br />As far as I am aware, Fetzer _still_ believes that all of the, what I call, the "plane approaching/ plane into building" video sequences in the original live footage etc are genuine [eg buildings, background, foreground, sky, smoke etc.], and that a holographic plane image was being projected live, via an invisible military plane flying alongside the holographic plane image [of Fl. 175] it was projecting.<br /><br />See: "Total 9/11 Video Fakery vs. Richard Hall's Holographic Plane Hypothesis" :<br />www.onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2012/11/total-911-video-fakery-vs-richard-halls.html <br /><br />Regards, obf.Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-55836056628745773842014-03-09T05:53:04.031-07:002014-03-09T05:53:04.031-07:00While Clare tries to dominate the discussions here...While Clare tries to dominate the discussions here, it isn't her blog and she has no control over anything. Therefore you should address your questions directly to Jim Fetzer. No-one has authority to speak on Jim's behalf so you need to speak to Jim.Ian Greenhalghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10688759161975670079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-70827036445464029232014-03-09T04:48:56.376-07:002014-03-09T04:48:56.376-07:00I can't help but think you don't understan...I can't help but think you don't understand Jim's argument that the footage all hangs together.<br /><br />There are too many videos and photos of the destruction for them all to be faked, therefore if there was fakery, there would be some that clearly didn't fit.<br /><br />But there aren't - they all hang together, they all show precisely the same collapse. <br /><br />Furthermore, the collapse footage and photos do not display any of the tell-tale signs of being faked that are present in the plane impact footage.<br /><br />Why fake the collapse footage and photos?<br /><br />Shack's theory of dynamite behind a military grade smokescreen does not hold up to even cursory examination, there is far too much contradictory evidence.Ian Greenhalghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10688759161975670079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-71359463982431179862014-03-08T22:32:53.872-08:002014-03-08T22:32:53.872-08:00I wanted to add a bit to the discussion of whether...I wanted to add a bit to the discussion of whether the footage of the Towers collapsing was CGI, or real. This is just another way of saying it. For every theory, there is a responsibility. IF Jim Fetzer's theory, that the collapse footage is all real is true, there is a responsibility that:<br /><br />1. The perps were able to make the perimeter columns of the WTC bow inward, as if under enormous stress.<br />Please see this http://www.nmsr.org/nmsr911a.htm for the perimeter columns.<br /><br />2. The columns must snap and the Tower falls, snuffing out the fire in the 81st floor fire-region.<br /><br />3. The shattering of exterior concrete begins, and it is thrown away from the building in a smooth, continuous fashion.<br /><br />4. Question: If there are a sequence of neutron bombs once every 10 seconds, why does the pulverization of concrete NOT appear as a sequence of "puffs", once every 10 seconds? Why is there a smooth, continuous ejection of pulverized dust?<br /><br />5. How could you arrange for the pulverization of dust to be smooth and continuous? How would you know if your efforts were right?<br /><br />Meanwhile, my theory, that the images were CGI, have the following responsibilities:<br /><br />1. That all footage showing the collapse were manufactured by a fakery factory so that it shows a coherent whole. Jim has already agreed that the planes hitting the Towers were produced by such a fakery factory, so the question is whether the collapse video was also done that way.<br /><br />I wont give a conclusion here, but I want everyone to understand that each theory has certain responsibilities for the theory to be true. You can judge what is possible and impossible.Frankly Speakinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13203954120661228854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-63415024330082171312014-03-08T08:37:06.811-08:002014-03-08T08:37:06.811-08:00To Clare Kuehn:
So still no reply from you about ...To Clare Kuehn:<br /><br />So still no reply from you about having Charles Hirsch interviewed by Jim Fetzer, Clare? Do you think I will just stop asking you to reply to this important issue? Or have I perhaps just missed your reply? (this primitive comment box is a right nightmare to browse for new posts). <br /><br />Thanks for letting me know, Clare.<br /><br />Simon Shacknorwegianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17995678585264337010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-20814481748483105662014-03-07T18:10:29.243-08:002014-03-07T18:10:29.243-08:00Hi All,
Please stop scraping at the surface of 9/...Hi All,<br /><br />Please stop scraping at the surface of 9/11 research. It’s time to wake up to the fact that 9/11 was a ritual sacrifice – going back to the illuminati rituals of ancient Egypt. In my latest blog post Simon Shack uses ‘reverse psychology’ to defeat the magic of the illuminati: <br />http://jahilliya.wordpress.com/2014/03/08/katy-perry-and-the-real-dark-horse/<br /><br />More information about the significance of 9/11 to ancient Egyptian magic can be seen in this video by Jake Kotze – a guy who really knows how to think outside the box in my humble opinion:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rb8n2hTToo<br /><br />- Video research into 9/11 using synchromysticism at the blog "The Brave New World Order". in this video I find meaningful coincidence and synchronicity in pop culture references to the World Trade Centre disaster. The theory is put forward that 9/11 was a ritual invoking the Pyramids of Giza and the opening of a stargate (cosmic consciousness). My name is Jake Kotze and my blog's address is thebravenewwordlorder.blogspot.com<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-21725365888900636592014-03-07T10:53:56.640-08:002014-03-07T10:53:56.640-08:00Let me remind you:
if dust (particulates) is (are...Let me remind you:<br /><br />if dust (particulates) is (are) very fine, like Alka-Selzer, it would function somewhat coherently ... especially if being created as it goes, as Alka-Selzer disintegration does.<br /><br />It would then disperse, but not as some general cloudiness at first, which is what happens to the much less dust in a normal blast.Clare Kuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767270035823206231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-4635423717473862212014-03-06T19:29:37.779-08:002014-03-06T19:29:37.779-08:00When you get over what you think of as arrogance, ...When you get over what you think of as arrogance, maybe you'll notice your own fanaticism.Clare Kuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767270035823206231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-7626917904963389862014-03-06T17:37:19.534-08:002014-03-06T17:37:19.534-08:00What points? I have no idea why you are telling me...What points? I have no idea why you are telling me all this. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457403837436503928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-54300181835525865712014-03-06T17:30:49.107-08:002014-03-06T17:30:49.107-08:00It is mostly that fact, that OBF and you do NOT me...It is mostly that fact, that OBF and you do NOT mention perps through Israel, that gets Don's goat.Clare Kuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767270035823206231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-74350487530896247222014-03-06T17:24:36.949-08:002014-03-06T17:24:36.949-08:00Jim, all you people are in agreement on is your fa...Jim, all you people are in agreement on is your fanaticism for certain extreme positions and not handling the partial truths in each.<br /><br />If that gives you a headache, it is telling!<br />Communication in angry back-and-forth seems to be all you and the others can handle in this.<br /><br />As to Don:<br /><br />He has stated to me that he is more concerned about the WAR CRIME DEATH aspect, and not about whether there were fakes; others, such as you and OBF, etc., are more concerned with exposing GOEBBELS-LIKE LIES WITHIN THE RECORD.<br /><br />These are different emphases.<br /><br />Is your head aching yet? Take an aspirin and yes, I am finally actually getting just a tad aggressive with you -- rather like all of you but in the minutest amount. Hm.<br /><br />More headache?<br /><br />Adding to the problem with Don's approach to Simon and OBF is his conviction that they must be shills for Israel, because denying all deaths and nukes lets off Israel -- and, by the way, USA perps.<br /><br />More headache? Don't overdo that aspirin, buddy.<br /><br />So, how complex are my basic points?<br /><br />Still a headache?Clare Kuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767270035823206231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-32110695688991152452014-03-06T17:19:47.706-08:002014-03-06T17:19:47.706-08:00That is the point: it is dustifying, disintegratin...That is the point: it is dustifying, disintegrating from spallation.Clare Kuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767270035823206231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759924423263977907.post-65186676562540177282014-03-06T15:44:56.366-08:002014-03-06T15:44:56.366-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Clare Kuehnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767270035823206231noreply@blogger.com