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The WTC towers were constructed largely hollow. Hence the small pile of debris at ground zero. And I think the insides of the facades had been rigged with lots of cement bags which produced the dust clouds.
ReplyDeleteRubbish, no evidence for this speculation. Each tower contained halfa million tonnes of concrete and steel, if it had collapsed it would have left a pile of debris 13 storeys high, but instead half was dustified in mid-air and the majority of the rest was blasted out to land outside the footprint.
DeleteWhy do people keep coming up with wild theories that have zero basis in fact? No wonder the general public has a dim view of 'conspiracy theorists'.
LMAO @ Anders Lindman
DeleteCheck out this short clip: Hollow WTC Towers.wmv -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fZgEl5PKQ
DeleteI think it was on the Let's Roll forum where they first discussed hollow towers. It's not my idea.
DeleteThe hollow towers idea comes from the light through the towers while they were being constructed, and from a testimony which I actually provided, and from problems in the records of what companies were there, and from the conviction of Phil and others at LetsRollForums that directed energy weaponry as takedown method is ridiculous and not wanting to posit nukes for the lack of debris.
DeleteHowever, even if segments of the buildings did not have floors, only trusses, which is possible, the general debris field is far too wide and the many elements now identified as fission pathways in the USGS dust samples, suggest nuke reaction anyway.
Anders Lindman:-
DeleteSome interesting points there. I heard the wall cavities of the Twin Towers were packed tight with industrial strength green cheese and that all the door lintels were made of specially reinforced and hardened KFC Family Buckets (Empty. No chicken).
Can you please confirm?
You can't take anything from Let's Roll seriously, it's a limited hangout.
DeleteCorrect about the extraordinary mass per volume ratio. Incorrect about the dust. These structures were set up to be dropped on command by combination nuke/conventional demolition systems. Please do not underestimate the anger and dread felt by the engineers who had this criminal THOUGH PUBLICIZED and government mandated procedure thrust on them in 1969. I was present for some of the shouting. The addition of the preset demolition system was not introduced to the engineers until the structural steel was up several stories. Law suits would have had NYC/NJ Port Authority and U.S. Government backing against the Skilling and Associates people for seeing the criminality of it all. Like today, the public mewled and rolled in the gravy, though an elite few successfully lobbied in NYC to have it all stopped, after the first few set ups at the WTCs, UN building, and Chicago Sears and Roebuck tower(now Willis tower).
Delete"Non-calcareous cements can be prepared by the substitution of calcium by strontium or barium" -- http://books.google.se/books?id=cjjQCYU-WyUC&pg=PT21&lpg=PT21&dq=cement+composition+barium+strontium&source=bl&ots=2254Dozggs&sig=rKv6Um28OEedbWT1dTlAFMNyNHA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I3hIU53cFIH_ygOnnIHQBw&sqi=2&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=cement%20composition%20barium%20strontium&f=false
ReplyDeleteIf that is an attempt to explain the presence of various isotopes in the dust samples then it is untenable.
DeleteThe full isotope chain that would be expected if nuclear fission had taken place, not just strontium and barium but many other elements. Also, the proportions of the elements were as would be present if nuclear fission had taken place. Further, the presence of tritiated water points to nuclear fission.
Therefore the theory of strontium ad barium in the concrete is untenable, even from a cursory analysis.
Rigged cement bags can explain additional chemical elements. I don't know about the isotopes though. Here is a list of elements in the dust: http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/chem1/WTCchemistrytable.html
DeleteDr. Ed Ward, MD published findings that low level radioactive components were added to the primer applied to the structural steel. I knew SOMETHING was added to this paint during construction to help demolish the WTCs I and II but I knew not what. I can also state for the record that the onsite painters did NOT know of anything unusual about this material. The cement was incinerated, rather than pulverized. I have also known of this unusual resin based cement for about 44 years. Whether it had low radioactive components to be excited by the basement nuclear device, I do not know.
DeleteIn addition, tons of thermite was used to weaken the floors where the collapses started. Notice the molten metal and whitish smoke minutes before the collapse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE
ReplyDeleteAnders, how many of our studies about the TT have you read? You display an astounding lack of understanding about their design and structure and the forces necessary to blow them apart from the top down. I don't want to conclude you are a shill, but the empty towers theory is EMPTY. Try some of these articles:
Delete“9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings II”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/12/911-truth-will-out-the-vancouver-hearings-ii/
“Mini Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle” with Don Fox, Clare Kuehn, Jeff Prager, Jim Viken, Dr. Ed Ward and Dennis Cimino
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/29/mini-neutron-bombs-a-major-piece-of-the-911-puzzle/
“Mystery Solved: The 9/11 was Nuked on 9/11” by Don Fox, Dr. Ed Ward, and Jeff Prager
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/01/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked-on-911/
"2 + 2 = Israel nuked the WTC on 9/11"
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/28/2-2-israel-nuked-the-wtc-on-911/
"Busting 9/11 Myths: Nanothermite, Big Nukes and DEWs" http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/19/busting-911-myths-nanothermite-big-nukes-and-dews/
“The Complete Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/10/03/the-complete-midwest-911-truth-conference-parts-1-2-and-3/
“9/11: A World Swirling in a Volcano of Lies”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/02/14/911-a-world-swirling-in-a-volcano-of-lies/
A+ on the references.
DeleteHi Jim,
ReplyDeleteConsider the possibility that the WTC towers were constructed from the beginning to break apart like that. And some floors were of course there, like the tourist floors, maintenance floors and a few office floors, but other than that the towers could have been hollow, meaning no floors there! Pretty outrageous to be sure, but there you have it.
Jim, is it possible ALL of these methods were used? TNT to blow the water mains.. Thermite to destroy the elevators.. Nukes for the demolition and direct energy to dustily the frame.
ReplyDeleteI think you're ALL right. Now have a beer and pat yourselves on the back.
Cheers!
I agree that multiple methods were likely used. There is evidence of nuclear weapons, evidence of thermite, evidence of many smaller explosions prior to the collapse such as described by Willy Rodriguez, which was likely the destruction of the water tanks, there is evidence of steel beams having been cut at 45 degrees by cutting charges.However, I don't know of any evidence for directed energy weapons having been used or even any credible evidence for their existence. Judy Wood is, imho, cointelpro.
DeleteI would sure like to get the money backing Woods got for that book. It is as full of junk as the WTCs were. Different junk. Same spirit of fraud.
DeleteIt would be interesting to have someone from for example the Let's Roll forum on the show to discuss the hollow WTC towers theory. I myself would like to learn more about it and I'm too lazy to read lots of text about it.
ReplyDeleteNo it wouldn't, for the simple reason that Let's Roll is a limited hangout and therefore not credible. The hollow towers theory isnot credible, so i don't think it is worth discussing, unless some credible researcher brings some new evidence to the table,which no-one has done and I am pretty sure never will as the towers simply weren't hollow.
DeleteAs Clare points out above this Hollow Tower BS started with that construction photo. However, any skyscraper is approx. 97% air. The Towers weren't any more hollow than any other skyscraper. In fact they were a lot sturdier than most.
DeleteHere is an image that is often used: http://s28.postimg.org/mkohsqvm5/hollow_wtc.jpg
DeleteThat photo is before the towers were occupied - note the construction crane on the top of the right hand tower, they hadn't eve finished the towers when that was taken. Also, it clearly disproves the hollow theory because you can see all the floors are there, which were made of corrugated steel with 4-8 inches of concrete overfill, the machinery floors are clearly defined (the dark ones) all that is missing is office furniture and interior walls that were non-structural anyways and would change depending on the tenant#s needs. The central core alone was a very strong and robust structure, the outer tube of the exterior walls was also very strong and the trusses that joined the inner to outer gave the design immense strength. The WTC was over-engineered, it was built far stronger than it needed to be because it was designed in the days before computer modelling and they erred on the side of caution. I think one of the reasons why they had to use mini nukes was how strong the structure was, particularly that central core. To bring down such an over-engineered structure with conventional explosives would have been very difficult and would have required a lot of pre-demolition work to prepare and weaken the structure so it would collapse completely. Obviously, this preparation work would have been noticed by at least some of the thousands of people who worked there and it would have been very difficult to hide such work from the hundreds of maintenance staff. Placing mini nukes within the core really does solve a lot of problems in terms of achieving a total destruction of the structures in a short amount of time and there is no question that dynamite, C4 or any other conventional explosive could have achieved the same destruction.
DeleteHere is another picture where the towers look hollow: http://s30.postimg.org/j12ifrbdt/hollow_towers.jpg
DeleteThe WTCs I and II were built like huge rectangular prism shaped airplane wings with a far superior mass to internal usable3 space factor. The structures were guaranteed against any natural disaster, but not jet airplanes for obvious reasons. they could have taken the hits, but not the initiation of the demolition systems, which can be seen partially detonated and otherwise initiated in belts around the impact floors, falling liquid molten steel, squibs, etc..
DeleteOffice buildings that large would require a prohibitively large amount of conventional cement and steel in a classic post and beam structure. For this reason, this design was considered, and bot for reasons of later demolition, though when the steel/aluminum interface problem was not solved by Kaiser Aluminum, the owners went into 100% psycho damage control to minimize the approaching financial train wreck of the WTCs. It was known that the siding panels would commence falling into the street in 35 to 40 years. nowadays, aluminum/steel interfaces are not a major problem to minimize. Impossible then.
Kevin is rather dogmatic about religion and Jim is rather dogmatic on science. Neither realizes the problem here is an epistemological one. Why Kevin can't grasp the no planes thesis, however, is beyond me since it is proved to me by the totality of evidence, most importantly the witnesses who viewed no plane, the composite work, the live black outs on impact, the animated videos layered in, the plane data, the impossibility of the physics, etc... Kevin is a 911 expert? But Jim needs to study the paradigm busting models that are displacing our criminally negligent scientism paradigm that has abandoned true scientific discourse for consensus approach. Economics and archeology are examples of completely co-opted fields, as is the entire accredited American scholarly community. Wonder why professors don't teach about JFK and 911, or discuss the engineering of man, or the previous high civilizations that preceeded our own. We are about to be wiped out again because good men say nothing and care not for the race of man in totality. Dogma is the enemy of wisdom. Both were displayed tonight.
ReplyDeleteI sense a sesquipedalianism kicking in. Beer time.
DeleteDr. Barrett knows full well that if he admits even to the POSSIBLE accuracy of some of the various, too-close-to-reality, 9/11 theories that years ago were banned by the shill-controlled, limited-hangout "truth" operations such as 9/11 Blogger, then he himself will be ostracised, just as Dr. Fetzer already has, from the wider, more Amy Goodman-ish circles of "alternative" news and comment where the insidious, false gospel of LIHOP still continues to thrive -- and its mendacious proponents continue to bask in the foundation-funded, Sunstinian sunshine.
ReplyDeleteYeccchhh!
But the fact that open-minded (but still not enough) Dr. Fetzer maintains his longtime friendship with Dr. Barrett, in spite of such cowardly behaviour by the latter, does speak well of Jim's sense of personal loyalty and willingness to respect (but still not enough) differences of opinion.
jim.... please dear god fix your skype so we dont all hear the alert sounds it generates
ReplyDeleteI think I finally figured out how to stop it. Thanks!
DeleteI would encourage Dr. Fetzer to look into the research of Jan Irwin. Jan researches takes David McGowan's research to another level with his article "Manufacturing the Deadhead."
ReplyDeleteFetzer seems to under the impression that "the pill" & abortion was a good for the liberation of women. I would assert that both of them have been a tool used to destroy the moral integrity of the family unit. The hippie revolution, drugs, sex and rock & roll were all engineered with that goal.
According to the research of Vicky Thorn, "Science of Attraction: The Biology of the Theology of the Body",
it takes 15 hours for the sperm to penetrate the ovum.
A victorious vinegar douche after intercourse will prevent pregnancy in the vast majority of cases.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=280923
To have a woman chemically alter their natural biology is just insane. I would encourage everyone to watch this presentation of Vicky Thorn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg4Ki-Nbd84
This was a very interesting show. It is obvious to me. That Barrett and Fetzer are two peas in pod. They are just looking in different directions.
Cheers!
The guest had a good point about how evolution selects cooperation. It makes sense to me since members who work together will be stronger than members who only are in conflict with each other. Jim mentioned group selection.
ReplyDeleteYou know, we are regressing. Isn't it time it was established what the evidence is in the case of 9/11? A legal case cannot go forward if there is no agreement on the evidence.
ReplyDeleteThe Scholars group is ASSUMING the video shown on TV that day are films of the actual event as it happened in real time. It has been shown these videos have been tampered with due to the insertion of the impossible planes with computer graphics imaging. Before going any further, each group must agree on what the evidence is. I say the videos from that day cannot be accurate because they are defying physics not only the plane hits, the gashes, but also the impossible "top down" demolitions. These are not normal demolitions. All you have to do is look up CDI implosion videos and notice not one matches anything seen in the TV footage. The WTC was not a masonry and concrete structure like the Hudson department store which fell in clouds of dust--but not through the roof tops. The WTC was mostly of steel and much of this steel was sold to scavanger companies. I have the list from 911 Research--unless you think they lied about that too. Then, there is the matter of huge core columns and seven story tridents once stored in a hangar
at JFK.
Please, lets get the facts straight before we write the books and argue endlessly. It is really boring to repeat this same stuff over and over. (I can't believe Barrett thinks faster planes could become as "liquid" and pass through buildings. Are you kidding? Unbelievable!)
The U.S. government has done a massive 9/11 coverup, but I think they are innocent when it comes to the attacks on the WTC towers. Some shadow cabal had planned that event for decades.
DeleteThe Jews had planned it for years, and seeing as the US govt has been in the hands of the Jews since LBJ replaced JFK, then the US govt is very much complicit.
DeleteAAAAAHHH!!! The planes (of course) did not become liquid. The walls did. The perps who made the thermitic material had office space there as part of the Bush cabal and high tech thermitic manufacturers. The velocity of the liquification of this THIN steel structural panels lent itself to this use oif such a material. I viewed the training film on the procedure of spraying on this stuff in 1972, It was described in detail, published and shown back in 1972. I saw it the following week in a personal viewing.
DeleteI'm sorry to say that I think Kevin has a very naive concept of the universe and science. He seems to be having the kind of discussion we college students stayed up nights for hours in conversation trying to adjust our religious beliefs foisted on us by out parents with science and what the academic world was having us believe.
ReplyDeleteTo say that Guttenberg's printing press somehow caused the downfall of civilization and the end of the traditional family, due to left brain dependence, is pretty far-fetched. To advocate going back to the good old days of so-called ethical behavior in marriage and parenting is really unbelievable. Yet, Barrett is aware of the new quantum physics which tells us a lot about ourselves and the universe we never knew before. The textbooks will be changing. Already, the spiritual gurus have taken the lead with good news as in "The Secret" and "The Power of Intention."
Wake up, people! Have you even read this new stuff? Eckhart Tolle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckhart_TolleThe Power of Now and A New Earth sold an estimated three million and five million copies respectively in North America by 2009.[6] In 2008, approximately 35 million people participated in a series of 10 live webinars with Tolle and television talk show host Oprah Winfrey.[6] Tolle is not identified with any particular religion, but he has been influenced by a wide range of spiritual works.[7]
If you think that ethical behaviour in marriage and parenting is a bad thing then you obviously lack ethics and morals. The decline of western society is due to the decline in the family unit, the institution of marriage and erosion of parenting skills.
ReplyDeleteIan said: "If you think that ethical behaviour in marriage and parenting is a bad thing then you obviously lack ethics and morals. The decline of western society is due to the decline in the family unit, the institution of marriage and erosion of parenting skills."
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Barrett claims this is due to too much left brain activity caused by too much reading which Guttenberg caused with his printing press 500 years ago. Would you agree with that premise, Ian?
Also, Ian, the repository of all knowledge, please tell us the latest findings in quantum physics and how or if it has changed the way we look at matter. Are we spiritual beings having a human experience or the other way around?
I believe the changes in society since the 1950s have largely been engineered, that the destruction of the family and the degradation of moral and ethical standards has been deliberately done by the elite in order to weaken society. The tools for doing this have largely been the mass media, television and music at the forefront.
DeleteI won't comment n the left brain thesis because it is the first time I have heard of it and would need to study it before forming an opinion. However, I believe that it is part of the inate nature of human beings to form societal groups, we are pack animals. The basic group was always the family and we have clear evidence that the breakdown of the family has had a massively detrimental impact on society. The rise of gang culture can be seen as a consequence of the destruction of the family - the gang replacing the family and filling the need for the feeling of belonging to a group - our pack animal instinct coming into play.
^G (of the transition state){Gibbs' free energy} = ^H(of the transition state) - T x ^S(of the transition state) where G=Gibbs free energy, H = enthalpy, T=temperature, and S=entropy, ^ = delta or 'change'.
ReplyDelete"There is no such thing as a free lunch." Professor Rose, UW chemistry professor, 1972.
Dear Dr. Barrett, There was only MINIMAL localized pulverization of the cement. It was not conventional concrete except for in certain special applications. This can readily be documented through library research where this material is discussed......unless Friends of Silverfish got there first and stole these articles from the hundreds of archives which at one time contained them. The covalent/ionic bonds of the resin based cement were denatured by the intense heat created by a complex nuclear event which is evidenced to have included fission and fusion components. Jeff Prager buried this controversy long ago. Ghouls suck.
ReplyDeleteMr Fetzer. I admire what you do, I have donated money to fund your cause. That said to balance my critiscizm. Now you know how I fell when I try to get the point across to you that the planes COULD NOT HAVE BEEN HOLOGRAMS, IMPOSSIBLE. Please use your mind an explore why a hologram can not appeare darker than the backdrop against which it is projected. Light is not dark, ok? Please, please, please.
ReplyDeleteIn a way I envy the friendship between James Henry Fetzer and Kevin Barrett but the way they argue on The Real Deal is embarrassing and does not show much respect ( by Barrett ) for Fetzer's listeners. Kevin is a guest on TRD and should behave like an adult one.
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